Carrying Skis in a Single...

Hello,

We have a Mooney M20E (actually for sale... info at
www.internetworks.ca/vmr -- but thats not why i'm posting).... but i
think you'll be hard pressed to get any amount of gear into this plane.
Last year my girlfriend and I went to Osh Kosh in it... and we had the
back seat and the storage area full. There wouldn't have been room for
a 3rd person -- perhaps your 105lb fiancee... but certainly not 160cm
skis and winter clothing. Maybe you can get ski tubes for them... but
when people ask me if its a 4 place aircraft, I tell them its 4 place
if the 2 in the back are either children or amputees.

Good luck in your search.

-dr

If the weather is bad, if the snow pack is deep and roads
are blocked, if the sun has gone down, if the rescue teams
is already busy,if ... They don't have cellphone towers
in all areas of the mountains so you may not be able to call
in your LAT/LON.

When it is cold, you can freeze to death in just a few
hours. But hey, suit yourself.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"soxinbox" wrote in message
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|I know this used to be critically important, but is this
still necessary in
| today's environment with hand held GPS and cell phones
with built in
| tracking. If I call 911 with exact coordinates, will I
really have to wait
| the night. I know I am going to get a lot of people
commenting on this, so I
| am bracing for the onslaught.
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:dUY6g.17764$ZW3.14542@dukeread04...
| Don't know about the tail cone size and whether there is
a
| baggage modification. It probably has the weight
capacity,
| but I'm not sure about the seating and baggage space.
|
| There is always FedEx and UPS.
|
|
| Just remember that you need warm survival clothes, ski
wear
| is not adequate for staying alive after a forced
landing. I
| don't recall the name, but a decade ago, maybe a little
| longer the president of a pilot group made a perfect
forced
| landing on a lake. Everyone on the plane was uninjured
and
| froze to death.
|
|
|
| --
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
| --
| The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| some support
| http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
| See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and
duties.
|
|
| "Montblack" wrote in
| message ...
| | ("Jim Macklin" wrote)
| | Single-engine from the California Bay area to Tahoe
| during ski season
| | [winter] requires a big enough airplane and useful
load
| to carry fuel,
| | passengers, ski clothing, skis, and survival
| | equipment.
| |
| |
| | Would a Navion fit the bill?
| |
| |
| | Montblack
| |
|
|
|
|

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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On 5 May 2006 19:07:01 -0700, "EridanMan"
wrote:

Hey Guys,

I'm in plane-search mode after recently passing my check flight.

One of the number one uses I want for the aircraft is to be able to
make VFR flights up to Tahoe in the winter for ski trips (hopefully
regularly, as the weather permits).

Anything else I should consider?

A good mountain flying course.

A good survival kit and practice using it. I fly in Colorado and don't
think about doing any point-to-point trip without one. I got mine from
www.preparedpilot.com. It's a pretty good kit as sold. I even had the
opportunity to go on an FAA-sponsored survival seminar (one of their Wings
programs here) and try the thing out. Not bad all things considered and it
only weighs about 8 pounds without full water bottles. After my experience,
I made a few adjustments to the kit but that's just me. I consider it money
well spent. After all, we all know that the time the bad stuff happens is
when you're least prepared. I figure that by being prepared, I just
increased the odds of ever needing the thing!

"Robert Barker" wrote

A good survival kit and practice using it. I fly in Colorado and don't
think about doing any point-to-point trip without one. I got mine from
www.preparedpilot.com. It's a pretty good kit as sold.

How do you have it positioned, to assure that you will be able to get it out
quickly, in case of a crash requiring a rapid exit?
--
Jim in NC

soxinbox wrote:

I know this used to be critically important, but is this still necessary in
today's environment with hand held GPS and cell phones with built in
tracking. If I call 911 with exact coordinates, will I really have to wait
the night. I know I am going to get a lot of people commenting on this, so I
am bracing for the onslaught.


As long as you crash in an area with digital service, otherwise the GPS
in the phone won't do you any good.

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Robert Barker" wrote

A good survival kit and practice using it. I fly in Colorado and don't
think about doing any point-to-point trip without one. I got mine from
www.preparedpilot.com. It's a pretty good kit as sold.

How do you have it positioned, to assure that you will be able to get it
out quickly, in case of a crash requiring a rapid exit?
--
Jim in NC

The fanny pack version at preparedpilot is pretty small and can just sit in
the back seat. My current version is a little larger and I have it in the
baggage area. From what I can find, few GA incidents involve fire and if
they do, it serves as a pretty good signal. If no fire is involved, getting
to the kit is pretty simple... Just in case, I don't have everything in one
basket. I always keep a pocket knife on me. I took the small preparedpilot
mini kit out of the main kit and keep that in my headset bag along with my
small flashlights, and portable radio. I also have some steel wool in a
double ziplock bag. Steel wool with the 9volt battery in my headset (ANR)
will start a decent fire at any altitude since the matches and windproof
lighter are in my other kit.

In article ,
"Morgans" wrote:

"Robert Barker" wrote

A good survival kit and practice using it. I fly in Colorado and don't
think about doing any point-to-point trip without one. I got mine from
www.preparedpilot.com. It's a pretty good kit as sold.

How do you have it positioned, to assure that you will be able to get it out
quickly, in case of a crash requiring a rapid exit?

If it ain't on ya, it going out the door with ya!

"Robert Barker" wrote

I took the small preparedpilot mini kit out of the main kit and keep
that in my headset bag along with my small flashlights, and portable
radio. I also have some steel wool in a double ziplock bag. Steel wool
with the 9volt battery in my headset (ANR) will start a decent fire at any
altitude since the matches and windproof lighter are in my other kit.

It sounds like it is pretty well covered, if you get the bag out with you.
--
Jim in NC

Montblack wrote:

Would a Navion fit the bill?


The Navion has plenty of bulk available. You might even get
the skis in an unmodified plane. The depth of the baggage
compartment is about three feet and the rear seats (at least
in my B model) will fold down to extend that into the passenger
compartment and you can further carry longer skis up between
the front seats.

Is there any way to leave the skis in Tahoe? You're certainly not going to
get much use out of them in the Bay Area. That would open you up to many
more choices in aircraft.


"EridanMan" wrote in message
One of the number one uses I want for the aircraft is to be able to
make VFR flights up to Tahoe in the winter for ski trips (hopefully
regularly, as the weather permits).

What singles would you reccommend to be able to carry a load of 2 (or
possibly 3, with one being my very petite (105lb) Fiancee) people and a
load of baggage and Skis (the big issues imho) from The Bay Area to
Tahoe...

Anything else I should consider?

Thanks.