FADEC = complex

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Newps writes:

Spoken like a sim pilot.

No, spoken like a computer specialist.

If you had the slightest idea what the hell
you were talking about you would know that when the FADEC fails, usually
the computer goes belly up but it could be an electrical power loss, the
engine continues to run but does so at a very rich setting.

FADECs can fail in all sorts of ways, depending on the software bugs
they contain.

Examples of this happening? Risk vs. reward analysis?

I would like to give MX the opportunity to explain to us what FADEC does, and
what it controls, and how. Just an approximate analysis will be sufficient.

Go ahead, Mxsmanic, you have the floor.
--
Jim in NC

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
news
He is a troll and has been identified as one for a long time, yet folks seem
compelled to answer him in record numbers. He'd find somewhere else to claim
his expertise if a couple of months went by with no one taking his bait and
his posts were left unanswered.

Unfortunately that will never happen here. Matter of fact you can now see
other kinds of sim adventures posted in here. It appears that Msxmanic has
transformed the group for the worse.

Thank God there are other places to give and receive information about our
"real" airplanes and piloting.

If you would not mind giving me a back channel e-mail, to let me know where you
would suggest, I would love to know where. He has gotten on my last nerve, by
entering EVERY thread that comes up. Make the obvious change to my address.
--
Jim in NC

Mxsmanic wrote:

Newps writes:


No, they cannot.


One day, you may be surprised.



No I will not. Once again you're clueless.

I like MX's comments most are completely true. Just BEING a pilot is not
sufficient to be able to impart knowledge on the subject.

For instance, Flight Safety, the world's most prestigious and expensive
flight training has MANY instructors who are not pilots.

Karl
ATP BE30, CE500, LrJET, DA50
"Curator" World's most hangar queen Cessna 185, N185KG




"Ben Hallert" wrote in message
oups.com...
Why do you feel you can speak with such authority on this subject?
You're not a pilot, you have no training in how the various systems
work and interact.

Why are you even here? I no longer assume good faith in your posts. I
think that the folks that have identified you as a troll are correct,
Msxmanic.

"karl gruber" wrote in message
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I like MX's comments most are completely true. Just BEING a pilot is not
sufficient to be able to impart knowledge on the subject.

For instance, Flight Safety, the world's most prestigious and expensive flight
training has MANY instructors who are not pilots.

His being a pilot or not is completely irrelevant to his comments about FADEC
failure. That only clouds the issue.

What does FADEC do, what does it control, and how does it fail, MX. The
question is still on the floor.
--
Jim in NC

Newps writes:

No I will not.

Famous last words.

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Happy Dog writes:

Examples of this happening?

Throttles setting themselves too high or low, refusing to answer
commands, etc.

Risk vs. reward analysis?

I generally feel that fly-by-wire isn't safe enough to use for most
normal flight. It is justified for some types of military aircraft,
where performance is more important than safety.

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Ben Hallert writes:

Why do you feel you can speak with such authority on this subject?

Where did I make any specific claim of authority?

You're not a pilot, you have no training in how the various systems
work and interact.

I built systems like that.

Why are you even here?

I'm interested in aviation.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Happy Dog writes:


Examples of this happening?


Throttles setting themselves too high or low, refusing to answer
commands, etc.

FADEC does not control the throttle in a GA plane. It controls mixture,
spark advance and sometimes, but not usually, the prop. Maybe once you
get educated you'll stop spewing this nonsense. But I doubt it. Got
anymore drivel for us?

Newps wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Happy Dog writes:
Examples of this happening?
Throttles setting themselves too high or low, refusing to answer
commands, etc.

FADEC does not control the throttle in a GA plane. It controls mixture,
spark advance and sometimes, but not usually, the prop. Maybe once you
get educated you'll stop spewing this nonsense. But I doubt it. Got
anymore drivel for us?

That was uncalled for.

I doubt that 99% of the readers here know what GA FADEC does or doesn't
do, and most would probably have made the same failure assumptions,
especially since those actions have occured on FADEC-equipped
airliners.

Since you're acting the expert, how about providing some meatier
information for us? Like most here, I'm too busy to look up
everything that interests me, but am willing to read details if
presented without the speaker acting too pompous.

Do you own a plane with FADEC? Worked on it? If not, got a favorite
pointer to info?

Thanks,
Kev