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Canadians: Cost-sharing with passengers?
I have always been under the assuption that I am allowed to split rental costs
with my passengers, as long as I would have been going flying anyways, even without them. However, upon closer examination of the CARs I fear that I may be wrong: http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/regserv...01e.htm#401_28 Section 401.28 lays out the rules for reimbursement of costs incurred in respect of a flight. One of subsections (2), (3), or (4) must be true in order to receive reimbursement for flight costs. (3) and (4) deal with flights conducted for your employer, and for non-profit charities, respectively. (2) seems to be the only one that could apply. But (2) only seems to apply to the owner or operator of an aircraft, and not to a renter. Specifically it doesn't seem possible to split the rental costs of a flight with your friends. And "operator" doesn't mean "pilot-in-command", either, unfortunately. From the Definitions in the CARs: "operator" - in respect of an aircraft, means the person that has possession of the aircraft as owner, lessee or otherwise; (utilisateur) So it certainly seems to mean that I can't have my buddies chip in for the rental costs of a flight if they decided to go flying with me... Comments? - awh |
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I'm curious if the situation changes if the pilot in question holds a
commercial ticket instead of a ppl but everything else is the same. Not operating a business of providing transportation to the public as an air taxi does but rather if on a casual basis a buddy says something like "I need to get up to Sudbury tomorrow - if you'll rent the plane and fly us up I'll cover the costs of the trip and your expenses" if that would be legal for a commercial license holder. "Doug FM" wrote in message le.rogers.com... Hi Drew, My flying club in Ottawa addressed this very issue not long ago. They put out a memo stating that it was okay if you split the cost of the rental equally with your buddies who went flying with you. What was bad (and illegal) was if they paid the entire cost of the rental flight and what was worse (and really really illegal) was if in addition to paying for the flight, they paid YOU as well. That last example probably wouldn't apply to a flight with friends but more if you decided to rent the plane and form your own little charter service, that's not good. They said in addition to violating the CAR's, it also voided their insurance. So, based on that and reading the CAR's with that in mind, I'd have to conclude that it was okay to split the cost with your friends. I certainly plan to do just that when I get my license which should be in a couple of weeks.... if my nerves don't get the best of me during the checkride that is. Cheers, Doug "Drew Hamilton" wrote in message news I have always been under the assuption that I am allowed to split rental costs with my passengers, as long as I would have been going flying anyways, even without them. However, upon closer examination of the CARs I fear that I may be wrong: http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/regserv...01e.htm#401_28 Section 401.28 lays out the rules for reimbursement of costs incurred in respect of a flight. One of subsections (2), (3), or (4) must be true in order to receive reimbursement for flight costs. (3) and (4) deal with flights conducted for your employer, and for non-profit charities, respectively. (2) seems to be the only one that could apply. But (2) only seems to apply to the owner or operator of an aircraft, and not to a renter. Specifically it doesn't seem possible to split the rental costs of a flight with your friends. And "operator" doesn't mean "pilot-in-command", either, unfortunately. From the Definitions in the CARs: "operator" - in respect of an aircraft, means the person that has possession of the aircraft as owner, lessee or otherwise; (utilisateur) So it certainly seems to mean that I can't have my buddies chip in for the rental costs of a flight if they decided to go flying with me... Comments? - awh |
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"Steve House" writes:
I'm curious if the situation changes if the pilot in question holds a commercial ticket instead of a ppl but everything else is the same. Not operating a business of providing transportation to the public as an air taxi does but rather if on a casual basis a buddy says something like "I need to get up to Sudbury tomorrow - if you'll rent the plane and fly us up I'll cover the costs of the trip and your expenses" if that would be legal for a commercial license holder. I think you'd also have to get approved by Transport Canada as a commercial operation, with a chief pilot, operations manual, etc. etc., as well as getting the appropriate (much more expensive) insurance on the plane. All the best, David -- David Megginson, , http://www.megginson.com/ |
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