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Could you please provide factual evidence that the system you have outlined
will make my children more successful and/or happy in life than had they
been educated otherwise?

Thanks.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
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My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my
daughter will start Kindergarden next fall.

Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge
presented to them.

1) Avoid public schools
2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method
3) Find some good material about human epistemology
4) Find some good works on critical thinking
5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation
(note: this teaches children to make associations, rather then just
perform memorization)

There is more, but this should hold you for a year or so. Note, too,
that very little of this material is found in the conventional
literature of education.

If you need some sources, leave you email address.

While not enumerated in the Constitution, travel is a civil right
according to the Supreme Court. The applicable decision involved a black
Army officer who was murdered while traveling through a Southern state
and established freedom to travel as a constitutionally protected right.

Dave Reinhart


Doug wrote:

Although it's not specifically stated as a right in the US
Constitution, the right to travel freely in your own country (without
"papers"), is generally believed to be a fundamental right. The right
to travel freely is also a benchmark for a measure of freedom in all
countries. Both Nazi Germany and the Communist system required
"papers" to travel from one city to the next. I dread the day when I
land at the airport, and a uniformed officer comes up to me and says,
"papers please". It will be a major loss of a fundamental right.

Judah wrote in message . ..
Could you please provide factual evidence that the system you have outlined
will make my children more successful and/or happy in life than had they
been educated otherwise?

Thanks.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
:


"Judah" wrote in message
...
My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my
daughter will start Kindergarden next fall.

Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge
presented to them.

1) Avoid public schools
2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method
3) Find some good material about human epistemology
4) Find some good works on critical thinking
5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation
(note: this teaches children to make associations, rather then just
perform memorization)

There is more, but this should hold you for a year or so. Note, too,
that very little of this material is found in the conventional
literature of education.

If you need some sources, leave you email address.

Montessori method- God I can't believe some people still hang with
that method. Ok for the 80s but the world has moved on - but when you
are deperate or .....

"Jeb" wrote in message
om...

If you need some sources, leave your email address.

Montessori method- God I can't believe some people still hang with
that method. Ok for the 80s but the world has moved on -

Let's see:

The Prussian school model of Thomas Mann; 1840 -still in place
The Social Subjectivist education model of John Dewey; 1920 - still in place
The Look-Say rading methods; 1940's - still in place

Three disasters still going strong....but more money, more parental
involvement....

Montessori - developed in the 1920's; banned in Italy (Where it originated),
Germany and the Soviet Union (amongst others). Teaches the association
between concrete (tangible) items and the relationships to similar items.

but when you
are deperate or .....

So the human mind has evolved in the past 20 years?

Jeb, if you are more than 25 years old, I suggest you are obsolete and
should be converted into Soylent Green.



Sounds like the desperate (and half literate) or here is yourself.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:28:42 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:


The Look-Say rading methods; 1940's - still in place

It's spelled "reading" and most schools are teaching reading using
phonics now.

Some educational methods work well and don't need changing. Phonics
is one of those things. Schools kind of got away from it back in the
late '60's and '70's, developing something called "whole language",
which was presented as a better method without any testing actually
being done to see if it really was more effective or not. It wasn't,
and most educators now acknowledge that phonics, which is not new, is
by far the more effective method.

So just because the method may seem old doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Also, children tend to learn almost despite the method with which they
are taught. Smart kids learn. Children with attitudes, which they
inevitably pick up from their parents, often have trouble in schools.

Corky Scott

(Jeb) wrote:

Montessori method- God I can't believe some people still hang with
that method. Ok for the 80s but the world has moved on - but when you
are deperate or .....

My sister has seen remarkable success with her kids in a Montessori
school. My niece is on track to enter a community college at age 15 or
so...

Rob

They appeal to the audience that their advertisers want them to appeal to.
Couldn't we get Corporate America to start pressuring these broadcasters to
raise the level of discourse? The media machine depends on the advertisers'
dollars, and therefore works for them.



"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
link.net...
Yes, you have a point. Way too many swallow just about everything they
see hook, line, & sinker. But the media is the country is certainly
guilty of fostering ignorance, playing always to the lowest common
denominator, etc. They're masters at bringing out the worst in the
masses.

Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
ink.net...

Yes, they do. The media, however, doesn't.


If the plane was shot down there'd probly have been alot of damage and
at least one fatality from the impact. Doesn't the general public have
any critical thinking skills whatsoever?


The same general public that, all glassy eyed, watches the media?

Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more about the fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a right to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough of those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment and
expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Judah" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
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"Jordan" wrote in message
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If we have to have celebrity endorsement, then our nation is too brain
dead to endure and is finished.

That's what happens when teachers make minimum wage, and celebrities
make
$100,000 an episode...

Teachers hardly make minimun wage. Even if we paid them $100K, they don't
know _how_ to teach (besides being beholden to the unions). Further, even
those who LOVE to teach, still miss HOW the human mind learns and grasps
information in the form of concepts. That's why most all of "education" is
now BY ROTE.

Set high but attainable standards, and consistently do what it takes to get
your kids to reach them.

If you have developed "parental deafness" fix it NOW!

NOTHING is worse for your childs future than being allowed to "daddy, daddy,
daddy" you while you ignore them. Acknowlege them, ask them what they want,
and start actively teaching them when to listen and when to speak. When
appropriate, tell them to wait, and escalate the punishment until they learn
this lesson.



"Judah" wrote in message
...
My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my
daughter
will start Kindergarden next fall.

Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge
presented to them.

Thanks.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
:


"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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Well, if in sending my kids to public schools all these years (they're
all in or past college now) I'd seen even ONE that comprehended HOW the
young minds grasps knowledge I'd say "most". That's not been me
experience.


I won't deny that there are a significant number of teachers whose
ability to teach is questionable, but many teachers actually give a
damn about their students, doing their best to *teach*. Oh, and "rote
learning" is not so nearly ubiquitous as you would claim.

"Giving a damn" is completely worthless if they don't know _HOW_ it
works.

Your tirade is so full of manure that it is laughable -- or would be
if you weren't expressing a range of opinions that are painfully
common.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.


yours,
Michael



Best,

Tom

"Dude" wrote in message
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Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more about the
fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a right
to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough of those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment and
expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents.

Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda.

If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR pocket, instead
of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their kids
learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded schools.