pilots refuse to fly with gun loons onboard

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:23:43 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Nick Cooper" wrote in
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:00:25 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Shaun" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:32:14 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:25:04 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:06:08 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:56 +0000, Shaun
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:06:55 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:50:49 -0000, "nick"
wrote:

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline
pilots'
union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on
board."

"Airline pilots should not take off with marshals on board, the
British
Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) has said."

"Capt Granshaw defended pilots' right to take action and said:
"Our
advice
to pilots is that until adequate written and agreed assurances
are
received,
flight crew should not operate flights where sky marshals are
carried."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3357309.stm

Maybe you 'fraidy cats would like us to loan you some properly
trained
US Sky Marshals?

Are they as cowardly as the US passengers who were too scared to
deal
with four arabs armed with carpet knifes

What 4 Arabs armed with Carpet knives?

The ones on three out of four planes that took off one September
mornign a couple of years back

You mean the guys carrying BOX CUTTERS?

No, I meant guys carrying Stanley Knifes, but I didn't want to
advertise the number one carpet cutting tool in the UK

Stanley knives? Made by Stanley Tools, of the USA? I think you'll find
the
box cutters used on 9-11 to be about 1/1o the overall size. A box cutter
is
about 5" long, by 1" wide, by 1/8" thick. Closed, it looks like a big
stick
of chewing gum, but it holds a single-edged razorblade that is used as
the
cutting blade. Box cutters are the weapon of choice for some teen gang
members. They're a nasty slashing weapon that can create nasty, gaping
wounds that are all the way to the bone.

"Stanley Knife" is pretty much a generic term in the UK for any heavy-
or medium-duty retractable (although some aren't) utility or craft
knife. It's one of those cases where the brand name that came to
prominence first becomes the generic, even when it's not appropriate.
E.g. Walkman, Frisbee, Hoover, etc.

"Box cutter" was a term unknown in the UK pre-11 Sept., and certainly
from the specific decription on Wikipedia, we don't have anything that
matches it exactly, certainly not in respect of using a single-edged
razor blade. In fact, that type of razor blade isn't even
particularly common here, either, since the double-edged type is more
prevalent. You will note that Wikipedia does say that a "Stanley
Knife" is the nearest equivalent in British English usage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-cutter_knife

The single-edged razor blade is produced mainly for use in box cutters,
certain scrapers used in removing decals and paint-over on glass.
This is a box cutter: http://store6.yimg.com/I/olfablades_1750_89859 It
costs $2.00 and will open you up real good.

First time someone's actually been able to point to a picture before.
I'm a not infrequent visitor to DIY/hardware stores, but it's
certainly not something you see on sale, even in the most well-stocked
place.

Box cutter replacement blade:
http://www.officedepot.com/pictures/...9611_sk_md.jpg Many newer box
cutters and utility knives use long, single-edged blades that can be snapped
off when the point gets dull or broken.
http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/a8/f3/7d_1.JPG

As I said, that type of single-sided blade isn't seen much in the UK.
In fact, just about the only purpose you'd see them used for would be
in audio tape splicing.

http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/...e_Blade_Shop_T
ool_Accessories.jpg This is a USA Stanley knife blade. This is a Stanley
Utility Knife: http://www.officedepot.com/pictures/...0467_sk_md.jpg

Yes, the former is generally the sort of thing (from that basic type
up to the restractable or even those new weird-shaped ones) that would
come to mind if someone says "Stanley Knife," but the term is so
generic that it it would also be applied to the latter break-odd type
- even if it's not Stanley-branded - as well as most other heavy craft
knives.

It's quite a bit bigger, uses a different blade, but will also open you up
real good. Box cutters and Stanley knifes are used as slashing weapons.

Yeah, they were used a lot by football hooligans in the days when that
sort of thing was more prevalent, although I think they were more
likely to use a disposable type that doesn't appear on the Stanley
website:

http://www.stanleytools.com/default....RY=RETRACTABLE

The closest would be the blade on the 10-127 in the bottom in a fixed
minimal plastic handle. I think they're still sold in packs of three
and are pretty much "use and throw-away".

I used to use Stanley utility knives to score aluminum coil sheeting so
it could be snapped apart to make facial coverings when I ran a sheet metal
brake.

If got about five of the larger type (mixture of metal and plastic,
some Stanley, some not) lying around here, mostly because they show an
inability to stay in my toolbox. Just about the only one that seems
to be usually where it should be is the one that's in the rucksack
that goes pretty much everywhere with me.

Shaun was right to a certain degree, because thinking back to my most
recent experiences of seeing carpet-fitters at work, they're as likely
to use the larger-type Stanley knife as the more traditional (if
strcitly accurate) carpet knife.

The fact is, though, that after 11 Sept., when all the news was coming
in, people were saying, "er... what's a 'box cutter'?" and you
actually had reporters having to divert to quick explanations of
exactly what they were.
--
Nick Cooper

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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:27:48 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:06:46 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:32:14 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:25:04 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:06:08 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:56 +0000, Shaun
m wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:06:55 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:50:49 -0000, "nick"
wrote:

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots' union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

"Airline pilots should not take off with marshals on board, the British
Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) has said."

"Capt Granshaw defended pilots' right to take action and said: "Our advice
to pilots is that until adequate written and agreed assurances are received,
flight crew should not operate flights where sky marshals are carried."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3357309.stm

Maybe you 'fraidy cats would like us to loan you some properly trained
US Sky Marshals?

Are they as cowardly as the US passengers who were too scared to deal
with four arabs armed with carpet knifes

What 4 Arabs armed with Carpet knives?

The ones on three out of four planes that took off one September
mornign a couple of years back

You mean the guys carrying BOX CUTTERS?

Maybe you should have read the thread properly. I merely pointed out
what Shaun was obviously refering to when Bogart either didn't or
pretended not to understand. Incidentally, not everyone calls them
"box cutters" - the term was certainly unknown in the UK beforehand.

And Mort twice took the time to point out the difference between box
cutters and carpet knives. If neither Shaun nor you understand the
terminology it's none of my concern.

I think it was more a case of you making a mountain out of a molehill.
Neither the term nor the item itself is generally familiar in the UK
and Shaun - perhaps imperfectly - simply used the nearest equivalent
that _is_ recognised here. I'm sure we could come up with lots of
"unfamiliar" terms for things that you don't have in the US that you
would have to similarly "translate."
--
Nick Cooper

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"Nick Cooper" wrote in
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:23:43 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Nick Cooper" wrote in
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:00:25 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Shaun" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:32:14 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:25:04 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:06:08 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:56 +0000, Shaun
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:06:55 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:50:49 -0000, "nick"
wrote:

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline
pilots'
union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on
board."

"Airline pilots should not take off with marshals on board,
the
British
Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) has said."

"Capt Granshaw defended pilots' right to take action and said:
"Our
advice
to pilots is that until adequate written and agreed assurances
are
received,
flight crew should not operate flights where sky marshals are
carried."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3357309.stm

Maybe you 'fraidy cats would like us to loan you some properly
trained
US Sky Marshals?

Are they as cowardly as the US passengers who were too scared to
deal
with four arabs armed with carpet knifes

What 4 Arabs armed with Carpet knives?

The ones on three out of four planes that took off one September
mornign a couple of years back

You mean the guys carrying BOX CUTTERS?

No, I meant guys carrying Stanley Knifes, but I didn't want to
advertise the number one carpet cutting tool in the UK

Stanley knives? Made by Stanley Tools, of the USA? I think you'll find
the
box cutters used on 9-11 to be about 1/1o the overall size. A box
cutter
is
about 5" long, by 1" wide, by 1/8" thick. Closed, it looks like a big
stick
of chewing gum, but it holds a single-edged razorblade that is used as
the
cutting blade. Box cutters are the weapon of choice for some teen gang
members. They're a nasty slashing weapon that can create nasty, gaping
wounds that are all the way to the bone.

"Stanley Knife" is pretty much a generic term in the UK for any heavy-
or medium-duty retractable (although some aren't) utility or craft
knife. It's one of those cases where the brand name that came to
prominence first becomes the generic, even when it's not appropriate.
E.g. Walkman, Frisbee, Hoover, etc.

"Box cutter" was a term unknown in the UK pre-11 Sept., and certainly
from the specific decription on Wikipedia, we don't have anything that
matches it exactly, certainly not in respect of using a single-edged
razor blade. In fact, that type of razor blade isn't even
particularly common here, either, since the double-edged type is more
prevalent. You will note that Wikipedia does say that a "Stanley
Knife" is the nearest equivalent in British English usage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-cutter_knife

The single-edged razor blade is produced mainly for use in box cutters,
certain scrapers used in removing decals and paint-over on glass.
This is a box cutter: http://store6.yimg.com/I/olfablades_1750_89859 It
costs $2.00 and will open you up real good.

First time someone's actually been able to point to a picture before.
I'm a not infrequent visitor to DIY/hardware stores, but it's
certainly not something you see on sale, even in the most well-stocked
place.

Box cutter replacement blade:
http://www.officedepot.com/pictures/...9611_sk_md.jpg Many newer
box
cutters and utility knives use long, single-edged blades that can be
snapped
off when the point gets dull or broken.
http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/a8/f3/7d_1.JPG

As I said, that type of single-sided blade isn't seen much in the UK.
In fact, just about the only purpose you'd see them used for would be
in audio tape splicing.


http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/...fe_Blade_Shop_
T
ool_Accessories.jpg This is a USA Stanley knife blade. This is a Stanley
Utility Knife: http://www.officedepot.com/pictures/...0467_sk_md.jpg

Yes, the former is generally the sort of thing (from that basic type
up to the restractable or even those new weird-shaped ones) that would
come to mind if someone says "Stanley Knife," but the term is so
generic that it it would also be applied to the latter break-odd type
- even if it's not Stanley-branded - as well as most other heavy craft
knives.

It's quite a bit bigger, uses a different blade, but will also open you
up
real good. Box cutters and Stanley knifes are used as slashing weapons.

Yeah, they were used a lot by football hooligans in the days when that
sort of thing was more prevalent, although I think they were more
likely to use a disposable type that doesn't appear on the Stanley
website:

http://www.stanleytools.com/default....RY=RETRACTABLE

The closest would be the blade on the 10-127 in the bottom in a fixed
minimal plastic handle. I think they're still sold in packs of three
and are pretty much "use and throw-away".

I used to use Stanley utility knives to score aluminum coil sheeting so
it could be snapped apart to make facial coverings when I ran a sheet
metal
brake.

If got about five of the larger type (mixture of metal and plastic,
some Stanley, some not) lying around here, mostly because they show an
inability to stay in my toolbox. Just about the only one that seems
to be usually where it should be is the one that's in the rucksack
that goes pretty much everywhere with me.

Shaun was right to a certain degree, because thinking back to my most
recent experiences of seeing carpet-fitters at work, they're as likely
to use the larger-type Stanley knife as the more traditional (if
strcitly accurate) carpet knife.

The fact is, though, that after 11 Sept., when all the news was coming
in, people were saying, "er... what's a 'box cutter'?" and you
actually had reporters having to divert to quick explanations of
exactly what they were.
--
Nick Cooper


It took one google search to find a picture of one. They should have tried
that, but it likely made too much sense. Box cutters could easily be
concealed in shoes, up the rectum or vagina , in small items like checkbooks
or wallets. They're not easy to take away from an assailant because they are
so compact and sharp.

-*MORT*-

In article ,
"nick" wrote:

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots' union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

"Airline pilots should not take off with marshals on board, the British
Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) has said."

"Capt Granshaw defended pilots' right to take action and said: "Our advice
to pilots is that until adequate written and agreed assurances are received,
flight crew should not operate flights where sky marshals are carried."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3357309.stm



They're Brits, what do you expect?

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 12:54:01 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote:

for sure. clean races, you know. and of proper religious mindset. at least
he will not look like a so called "camelfuc*er"

Good grief. Are you even worth taking to?

Rob

"Jeff Franks" wrote in message
...


Our second amendment is there not for the personal protection (thats a
by
product), but specifically to keep our government from growing so
corrupt
that the people can't defend themselves against it.

it seems the time is coming closer to use them (?)

But....if we only let the "professionals" have them, where does that leave
us? Seems Europe shoulda learned that lesson about twice last century.


Our founding fathers
were revolutionaries. And the last thing they wanted was another
tyrannical
government out of control running their lives. But coming from a
quasi-socialistic society with a 96% tax bracket, I wouldn't expect the
Brit's to understand.

96% tax bracket? where? and sources, please.


I was referring to the UK. I can't find any print to back it up. Where I
got it from was a news report (Dan Rather/Tom Brokaw National news type)
from a few years back. The report stated that at the time the "Spice
Girls"
were moving out of the UK to avoid the high tax rate. The numbers they
used
were that they were already in the 40% tax bracket and if their movie
"spice
world" did well at the box office, then they would be up in the 96%
bracket.
I about fell out of my chair, but they said it twice. I will allow the
possibility that they were completely wrong, but this is my source.

Totally wrong asshole. The top rate of tax is 40%, the bottom rate is 20%.

30 years ago there was a top rate of 98% on unearned income over £1m (i.e.
investment income) but who would be worrying about them.

"Nick Cooper" wrote in
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:00:25 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Shaun" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:32:14 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:25:04 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:06:08 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:56 +0000, Shaun
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:06:55 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:50:49 -0000, "nick"
wrote:

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline
pilots'
union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on
board."

"Airline pilots should not take off with marshals on board, the
British
Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) has said."

"Capt Granshaw defended pilots' right to take action and said:
"Our
advice
to pilots is that until adequate written and agreed assurances
are
received,
flight crew should not operate flights where sky marshals are
carried."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3357309.stm

Maybe you 'fraidy cats would like us to loan you some properly
trained
US Sky Marshals?

Are they as cowardly as the US passengers who were too scared to
deal
with four arabs armed with carpet knifes

What 4 Arabs armed with Carpet knives?

The ones on three out of four planes that took off one September
mornign a couple of years back

You mean the guys carrying BOX CUTTERS?

No, I meant guys carrying Stanley Knifes, but I didn't want to
advertise the number one carpet cutting tool in the UK

Stanley knives? Made by Stanley Tools, of the USA? I think you'll find
the
box cutters used on 9-11 to be about 1/1o the overall size. A box cutter
is
about 5" long, by 1" wide, by 1/8" thick. Closed, it looks like a big
stick
of chewing gum, but it holds a single-edged razorblade that is used as
the
cutting blade. Box cutters are the weapon of choice for some teen gang
members. They're a nasty slashing weapon that can create nasty, gaping
wounds that are all the way to the bone.

"Stanley Knife" is pretty much a generic term in the UK for any heavy-
or medium-duty retractable (although some aren't) utility or craft
knife.

I accept your admission that the knives used were NOT carpet knives even by
the meaning used in the UK.

" Bogart " wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 22:51:54 GMT, "Scout"
wrote:


" Bogart " wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:27:22 GMT, "Scout"
wrote:


" Bogart " wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:28:59 +0000, Shaun
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:28:34 GMT, Mongo Jones
wrote:

In talk.politics.guns

(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:44:42 GMT, Mongo Jones
wrote:

In talk.politics.guns Chris Morton wrote:

In article ,
nick
says...

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline
pilots'
union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on
board."

Pizza loving anti-Semite points out that British pilots would
rather
fly into
buildings than have armed POLICE on board.

They're as big a bunch of netwits as Jew hater Nick.

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice
that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down
as
a
precautionary measure.

And you honestly wonder why the rest of the world has such a low
opinion of America?

And you honestly think we give a **** about some ****-whiskered
Brits
who are too ****ing stupid to safeguard their own planes?

You should, Decades of proper airline security has proved
stunningly
effective at stopping planes being hijacked

Prior to 9/11 when was the last time a US airliner was hijacked in
the
US? And what ultimately stopped the domestic hijacking?

Are you saying that only the US managed to implement proper "airline
security"?

No. I asked prior to 9/11 when was the last time a US airliner was
hijacked in the US? Would you like to take a guess?

"No"? Then your question really isn't relevent, since hijacking aren't
limited to US airliners alone.

Second why exactly should we exclude the most recent example to show
that
security was inadequate?

If you know the answer to my first question it relates directly to my
second question, What ultimately stopped domestic hijacking?

Nothing. 9/11 stands forth as an example that domestic hijacking was
NEVER
stopped.

Now tie both of these two questions together with the correct answers
which I'm sure Shaun will be providing us, and then see how it relates
to the question of putting SKY MARSHALS on airplanes.

Two buildings destroyed, 4 planes with crew and passengers dead,
thousands
of lives lost, many more injured.

And a commitment to SHOOT DOWN THE NEXT PLANE THAT IS HIJACKED.

Yea, I can see how that pretty much answers the question of whether we
need
sky marshals on planes. We do. Period.

We do not need Sky Marshals on domestic airliners. Prior to 9/11 the
mindset on hijacked planes was for the passengers to just sit, be
passive and cooperate, and eventually the plane will go to Cuba or
wherever and eventually they'll be released safely and flown home.
After 9/11 passengers realized they were going on a suicide ride and
that realization caused them to adjust both their behavior and their
tactics. You will no longer see a group of passengers sit back and
meekly accept their fate when they realize they are going to die no
matter what action they take. The new mindset is, if faced with this
situation you must either fight for control of the aircraft otherwise
you will be doomed to go down with the plane anyway. So you might as
well take the hijackers with you.


Yep, and that's what happened on the 4th plane. What I want to know is how
having a sky marshal on board would have made matters worse. Would those
passengers have died twice?

Since 9/11 we've had at least 3
cases where an airliner was threatened by the behavior of an
individual on board. In all three cases these individuals were either
subdued immediately or killed by the passengers who are no longer
assuming the flight attendant is responsible for taking care of the
problem. In this type of environment the added factor of a Sky
Marshal might actually be a hinderance rather than a help as he could
be mistaken for a hijacker himself.

Well, then it would sort of behoove him not to act in a threatening manner
without cause then, wouldn't it.

Odd how we don't get a lot of cases of people jumping undercover officers on
the ground because they might be criminals.

In fact, can you document even ONE case in which an air marshal was attacked
because the passengers thought he was a terrorist, hijacker, or otherwise a
threat to the craft?

Sounds like empty emotional rhetoric to me.

"Nick Cooper" wrote in
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:27:48 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:06:46 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:32:14 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:25:04 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:06:08 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:56 +0000, Shaun
m wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:06:55 GMT, " Bogart "
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:50:49 -0000, "nick"
wrote:

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline
pilots' union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on
board."

"Airline pilots should not take off with marshals on board, the
British
Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) has said."

"Capt Granshaw defended pilots' right to take action and said:
"Our advice
to pilots is that until adequate written and agreed assurances are
received,
flight crew should not operate flights where sky marshals are
carried."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3357309.stm

Maybe you 'fraidy cats would like us to loan you some properly
trained
US Sky Marshals?

Are they as cowardly as the US passengers who were too scared to
deal
with four arabs armed with carpet knifes

What 4 Arabs armed with Carpet knives?

The ones on three out of four planes that took off one September
mornign a couple of years back

You mean the guys carrying BOX CUTTERS?

Maybe you should have read the thread properly. I merely pointed out
what Shaun was obviously refering to when Bogart either didn't or
pretended not to understand. Incidentally, not everyone calls them
"box cutters" - the term was certainly unknown in the UK beforehand.

And Mort twice took the time to point out the difference between box
cutters and carpet knives. If neither Shaun nor you understand the
terminology it's none of my concern.

I think it was more a case of you making a mountain out of a molehill.
Neither the term nor the item itself is generally familiar in the UK
and Shaun - perhaps imperfectly - simply used the nearest equivalent
that _is_ recognised here. I'm sure we could come up with lots of
"unfamiliar" terms for things that you don't have in the US that you
would have to similarly "translate."

Except by your own admission such knives are NOT known as carpet
knives....even in the UK

"Bill Funk" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:37:33 -0700, "Kevin McCue"
wrote:

Wanna bet your life that they wouldn't miss? I wouldn't. I'd rather
deal
with the terrorist.
Since the Dept. of Homeland Insecurity seems to think that the
terrorist are likely trained ATP's how will the Air Marshal stop them
when
they are locked behind that now reinforced, bullet proof cockpit door?

The only way a terrorist could get behind that locked, bullet proof
door is for someone to open it.
The British pliots (or rather, their union) seem to think that having
the pilots open that door is a really good idea.

Right, which is why it was managed to be opened by a couple of people armed
with nothing more than a drink cart.