If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#51
|
|||
|
|||
In article ,
Mike Marron writes: (Longtailedlizard) wrote: Mike, If I may offer why I don't think "Art" and "Auto" are not, one and the same, First off, I'm a regular reader but not much of a participant. I enjoy reading the different posts, offering many different veiwpoints and opinions. "Art" has been posting here for some years now, although I don't agree with him at times, I enjoy reading about his life and times at war. Many WWII veterans are departing us, its not only important for US history but World history to hear it first hand from someone who was there. I knew many WWII veterans, most are departed, including dad and my uncle. But like most WWII veterans, they never talked about it, most I heard was from mom, "daddy seen alot of bad stuff", or yes or no answers from dad and uncle themselves. Its only "after" its to late do you hear about what they did or what happened. How many times I picked up the paper only to read so and so passed away, and a "oh! wow" I did'nt know he was a paratooper, Marine, gunner aboard the Gamblier Bay, etc, etc. Also, these are old men, technology is sometimes daunting to them. I remember writing down specific instructions on how to turn on the computer, do this, do that, just so they could download e-mails with pictures of there grandchildren. Art is one of the very few, that not only talks about it, but maintains his own webpage. Art is extremely pround of what he has done, and rightfully so. And anybody that has been apart of this newsgroup, has to admit that, lets face it, if you don't agree with Art, things seem to turn south real quick. Art is very opinionated, pretty much, that if you have'nt flown in WWII, the soldiers, sailors, Marines, infantrymen, gunners, submariners, cooks, supply personnel, etc, etc, etc, aren't worthy somehow. But anyway, no big deal, we all have faults. So!!, to offer my proof that Art and Auto are not the same, Auto replied: Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being there no matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep 'em flying. Mike, KEEP 'EM FLYING, is strictly and aircraft mechanics saying, no way in God's green earth would Art ever stoop slow low as to quote the saying of a lowlife, yellow, uneducated enlisted aircraft mechanics qoute or as Art calls them Poogies or something like that. Great post Liz, much appreciated! This is the one and only RATIONAL response I've read yet, however, perhaps we should give Kramer a bit of credit where credit's due here. In other words, simply because he used a mechanic's saying (e.g: "keep 'em flying") doesn't mean squat. He may have utilized the saying just to help furthur disguise himself precisely for the reasons you so astutely pointed out (e.g: make it seem like "Autocollimator" is some "low life yellow, uneducated enlisted aircraft mechanic" ain't him). Mike - You're really getting more than a bit thin here. Next thing you know, you'll be rattling a pair of Ball Bearings in your hand, reliving the Cheese Incident, and proving, by Geometric Logic, that the Messboys didn't eat the strawberries. Are we ging to have to refer to you a "Old Yellowstain?" Odd thread tie-in here - The Caine Mutiny Court Martial scenes had, as one of the principal characters, a Pilot acting as a JAG Officer. A story so twisted, it could only have been written by Art Kramer... of Herman Wouk. (Hmm. Maybe Art is actually Herman Wouk? We know he's not Joe Heller - They've been seen in the same place at the same time.) -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
#52
|
|||
|
|||
(Peter Stickney) wrote:
But that's just his online persona - who knows what he (or any of us) are in real life. Exactly right. Based on your online persona, you would most definitely would NOT be on my short list of candidates to fly an IFR approach with OR plop an ultralight down onto a helicopter landing pad (much less fly into combat!) Stick to posting aviation stats and figures on RAM, Pete. Everything else is beneath ya. |
#53
|
|||
|
|||
"Mike Marron" wrote in message ... (ArtKramr) wrote: "Dudley Henriques" wrote: I'll let you in on a little secret. If there's ANYTHING at all that people in professional aviation, especially military aviation, covet more than picking the people with whom they choose to drink, I don't know what the hell it might be!! Lemme let YOU in on a little secret, Dud. Like I told ya' before the REAL military aviators I've drank with would just as soon kick your *phony* ass as get up in the morning. Well , all I can say to this is that I'm certainly glad these "military aviators" you're talking about aren't among the hundreds of Air Force, Navy, Marine, and Civilian Test Pilots I deal with all year long. But then again, no one, not even you, can expect to be liked and respected by everyone...........can they Mike? :-))) I'll just have to settle for what little "respect" I've managed to conger up for myself through the years if it's ok with you. Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt |
#54
|
|||
|
|||
"Dudley Henriques" wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote: Lemme let YOU in on a little secret, Dud. Like I told ya' before the REAL military aviators I've drank with would just as soon kick your *phony* ass as get up in the morning. Well , all I can say to this is that I'm certainly glad these "military aviators" you're talking about aren't among the hundreds of Air Force, Navy, Marine, and Civilian Test Pilots I deal with all year long. Huh? I thought you said that you were retired? Damn, just when you almost had me convinced that "Autocollimator" wasn't Kramer afterall! But then again, no one, not even you, can expect to be liked and respected by everyone...........can they Mike? :-))) Don't get me wrong, Dud. I do envy ya' your peacetime test-pilot experience in high performance fighters and all that. It's just that you and 99-percent of the most prolific posters on this happy group assembled ("Autocollimator" included!) don't have the first clue nor do you give a **** how actual combat kinda' royally ****s things up forever thereafter. I'll just have to settle for what little "respect" I've managed to conger up for myself through the years if it's ok with you. Fine by me, Dud. Ya' don't have to be a combat experienced fighter pilot to gain my repect. The greatest compliment I've ever gotten was from a self-employed ground courier whom witnessed me grease one in at JAX just 10-minutes after the previous guy augered in killing himself and all passengers onboard. Respect is a 2-way thing: you respect me and I'll respect you, OK? |
#55
|
|||
|
|||
Lemme let YOU in on a little secret, Dud. Like I told ya' before the REAL military aviators I've drank with would just as soon kick your *phony* ass as get up in the morning. Telling statement there as well, Mike. Your audience is dwindling, fast. Gordon |
#56
|
|||
|
|||
|
#58
|
|||
|
|||
(Peter Stickney) wrote:
Mike - You're really getting more than a bit thin here. Er um, let's play "Where in the World is Carmen San Diego" eg: (substitute "Autocollimator" for "Carmen San Diego" if you wish). |
#59
|
|||
|
|||
If Art uses a sock puppet, its his choice. If he does, I see it as an online
kink (small 'K') that would make me shake my head, and not anything close to the behavior Mike has been displaying since he started posting here. I am not on Art's Christmas list, but the two of us respect each other enough to not spend outrageous amounts of time wasting bandwidth doing nothing but ****ing each other (and regular posters) off. Art and other military posters in this newsgroup are here generally to share memories or clean up small details that we have direct knowledge about: ego gets into it sometimes but thats not why we're here. I come here to learn and discuss military aviation topics and instead, I get to read your non-military personal attacks and daily attempts to belittle just about everyone. You wrote to Peter, saying you'd show respect to him if he did the same. What do you want us all to do, in exchange for you stopping your insults? Gordon |
#60
|
|||
|
|||
In article ,
Mike Marron writes: (Peter Stickney) wrote: But that's just his online persona - who knows what he (or any of us) are in real life. Exactly right. Based on your online persona, you would most definitely would NOT be on my short list of candidates to fly an IFR approach with OR plop an ultralight down onto a helicopter landing pad (much less fly into combat!) Stick to posting aviation stats and figures on RAM, Pete. Everything else is beneath ya. I don't get into Boasting Games, sport. If I were you, my posts would be full of being conceived in a J-3 Cub, Soloing at 14, learning mountain flying in some of the most unpredictable weather in the world - you Floridians have absolutely no idea - looking at the Earth's curvature from 50,000', or watching the jump-up on the Airspeed/Mach Indicator as the shockwave formed. Or spending 4 hours above 35,000', watching a strong Aurora Borealis play along the entire Northern Horizon. Or the incredible greenness of North America after a year in the Stinking Desert. Of feeling the heavy feel, but crisp reponse of the De Havilland Vampire, or the instant response of the SGS 1-26, the concnetration and precision needed to get the best out of an Mu-2. Yeah, I don't fly much any more - UV at high altitude roasts your eyes, and for some of us with the right genes, you've got screwed up eyes for the rest of your life. I've managed to have some great experiences, though. I've had the pleaser of being shot at and shooting back, of flying an airplane faster than sound, of going to exotic places to do dangerous things, and, best of all, holding my newborn daughter in my arms. But, you see, I'm not anything special, in that regard. nor have I really done any great things. But I know folks who have, and I'm glad to sit and listen to them any time. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Spaceship 1 hits 212,000 feet!!!!!! | BlakeleyTB | Home Built | 10 | May 20th 04 10:12 PM |
Another cool RV hits the Rogue's Gallery! | Jay Honeck | Home Built | 0 | January 4th 04 05:08 PM |
40,000 U$ Soldiers are Illegal Aliens, Drafted for Illegal War | Gordon | Military Aviation | 6 | September 7th 03 03:28 AM |