[USA] What do you think of the 20 Meter 2 Seat Class?

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:06:02 -0800, Bruce Hoult wrote:

On Jan 28, 4:56Â*am, GK wrote:
Doing the math for you via the FAA database:

Number of registered Pw-5s - 71
Combined number of DuoD and DGs1000 - 47

Similar ratio in New Zealand: 9 Duo Discus and 3 DG 1000 vs 17 PW5s.


Not to mention that most Duo and DGs in US are used by money hungry
FBOs and are in-accessible for club folks.

All the DG1000's in NZ are now in clubs (2 Wellington, 1 Fielding), and
I think 2 of the Duos.

Southern Soaring had a brand new DG-1000 at Omarama in 2003. Is it still
there?


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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:14:32 -0800 (PST), John Cochrane
wrote:


At least in Germany this is already possible - the PW-5 has a handicap
factor of 86 (for comparison, a Ka-6e has 88, Std. Libelle 98, LS-4
106, ASH-25 124) .

In Germany, is the PW5 allowed to compete in club class?

Sure - the only limit to CLub Class in Germany at the moment is the
upper limit of 106 for the index.

The German index list can befound here (page 2 of the pdf):
http://www.daec.de/se/downfiles/2009/DMSt-WO2009.pdf

Despite its low index, a PW-5 (or s similar ship like a Ka-6) is not
competitive in German Club Class, therefore noone uses them.


In the US, we have a sports class, in which every glider can compete,
but the club class has been structured so that lower performance
gliders including PW5, silent, Ka6, Russia, Sparrowhawk, etc. are not
allowed to compete at all. One question before us is whether such
gliders should be allowed. After all, there is nothing in the rules
that says you can't bring a PW5 to a 15 meter contest if you want to,
it's rather curious you aren't even allowed to bring it to a club
contest.

Creating a task that is going to work (and be fun) for, say, an ASW-27
and a PW5, is hardly possible. What's the problem splitting a sports
class contest into two different classes, say, high-performance and
low-performance? Setting two tasks instead of one is not much of a
difference concerning the effort involved, isn't it?





Bye
Andreas

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:24:54 +0100, Andreas Maurer wrote:


Creating a task that is going to work (and be fun) for, say, an ASW-27
and a PW5, is hardly possible. What's the problem splitting a sports
class contest into two different classes, say, high-performance and
low-performance? Setting two tasks instead of one is not much of a
difference concerning the effort involved, isn't it?

I can't speak for other UK Regionals, but at GRL we set tasks for the
Racing class (handicaps = 100) and Club class (handicaps =100). If your
glider has a 100 handicap you get to choose which group you want to fly
in.

This works out pretty well. Granted, the very low performance gliders
still lose out, but not so badly as if there was only one task set.


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On Jan 29, 4:47*am, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:06:02 -0800, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Jan 28, 4:56*am, GK wrote:
Doing the math for you via the FAA database:

Number of registered Pw-5s - 71
Combined number of DuoD and DGs1000 - 47

Similar ratio in New Zealand: 9 Duo Discus and 3 DG 1000 vs 17 PW5s.

Not to mention that most Duo and DGs in US are used by money hungry
FBOs and are in-accessible for club folks.

All the DG1000's in NZ are now in clubs (2 Wellington, 1 Fielding), and
I think 2 of the Duos.

Southern Soaring had a brand new DG-1000 at Omarama in 2003. Is it still
there?

ZK-GDG was owned by a Masterton-based syndicate and was at Omarama
presumably to get a bit of income. Philip Plane was one of the
syndicate members and I assume did a fair proportion of the flights in
it at Omarama. As show at http://is.gd/7fJcz it is now owned by
Wanganui Manawatu Gliding Club (Inc) (which is based at Fielding)

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:35:11 -0800, Bruce Hoult wrote:

On Jan 29, 4:47Â*am, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:06:02 -0800, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Jan 28, 4:56Â*am, GK wrote:
Doing the math for you via the FAA database:

Number of registered Pw-5s - 71
Combined number of DuoD and DGs1000 - 47

Similar ratio in New Zealand: 9 Duo Discus and 3 DG 1000 vs 17 PW5s.

Not to mention that most Duo and DGs in US are used by money hungry
FBOs and are in-accessible for club folks.

All the DG1000's in NZ are now in clubs (2 Wellington, 1 Fielding),
and I think 2 of the Duos.

Southern Soaring had a brand new DG-1000 at Omarama in 2003. Is it
still there?

ZK-GDG was owned by a Masterton-based syndicate and was at Omarama
presumably to get a bit of income. Philip Plane was one of the syndicate
members and I assume did a fair proportion of the flights in it at
Omarama. As show at http://is.gd/7fJcz it is now owned by Wanganui
Manawatu Gliding Club (Inc) (which is based at Fielding)

Understood. Thanks.


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