Fading Signal: The Neglect of Electronic Warfare.

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...
In message , William Black
writes

"Jeff" wrote in message
e.com...


The more sophisticated jammers only switch on when a signal is detected,
hopefully quickly enough to stop a detonation.

They'll make electronic garage door openers, radio type car alarm tags
and
a huge assortment of other things entertaining to use...

You'll just have to wait for the HMMWVs to drive past before your car will
unlock, your garage door open or your cordless phone ring.

It's counterproductive to shut down a neighbourhood, you just need to
prevent detonations within lethal distance.


It also gives a nice easy system to tell the snipers that they're coming.

Sound of telephone ringing, a voice says "They are at point Mustapha" (or
"Aunty Fatima says your washing is ready" if they're being really paranoid
about things)

The guy knows they'll be around the corner any minute and redies his .50
calibre sniper rifle...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

In message , William Black
writes
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...
You'll just have to wait for the HMMWVs to drive past before your car will
unlock, your garage door open or your cordless phone ring.

It's counterproductive to shut down a neighbourhood, you just need to
prevent detonations within lethal distance.


It also gives a nice easy system to tell the snipers that they're coming.

Sound of telephone ringing, a voice says "They are at point Mustapha" (or
"Aunty Fatima says your washing is ready" if they're being really paranoid
about things)

The guy knows they'll be around the corner any minute and redies his .50
calibre sniper rifle...

You need less than that. Not much help for the snipers...

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


pauldotjdotadam[at]googlemail{dot}.com

Jeff wrote:
BTW, do those jammers send white noise, or are they smart enough to
fake a signal? Say, I build a small detonator from RC car parts, and it
depends on the transmitter sending "left, right, left..." every 30
seconds, with a timer starting on every signal, counting down until the
opposite side timer is started.
With a white noise jammer, no signal gets through anymore, 30 seconds
later you get *bang*...


But that is not a system that you would want to use for real, any kind of
failure or signal interuption would cause a detonation.
[snip]


Providing they kill someone they do not care. Terrorist organisations
have repeatedly show that they consider local civilians to be targets.
Western soldiers are just higher valuse targets.

Andrew Swallow

On Apr 8, 7:41*pm, Mike Williamson
wrote:
wrote:
* * And the Air Force had to walk from electronic warfare.
* * Since the idiots still don't understand that nothing is as
* * stealthy as an electonic Satellite.. Since the "Radar"
* * the idiots are evading, isn't radar, it's the media.

* *I hate to interrupt a good show of rhetoric, but the Air Force
hasn't "had to walk from" electronic warfare, as we still have
a dedicated electronic attack platform, that has been deployed
for the last 4 years and counting- an online base "paper" article
noted one of the two deployed squadrons passing the 10,000th combat
flight hour associated with that deployment in January of
last year.

* *As to the rest of the paragraph- *what??

Mike

You are replying (arguing with) to a failed turing-test net-bot. Your
replies to it will only instigate further senseless posts. Ignoring
it completely (and not mentioning its name) is the only way to get it
to go away.

(it is a 'failure' in the worst way because occasionally its handlers
tweak its answers to attempt to debunk doubters. That is scientific
fraud.)

BB

I guess everybody has some mountain to climb.
It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet...

On Apr 8, 9:15*am, "William Black"
wrote:


Almost certainly the big drop was caused by training people how to spot the
bloody things.


Not according to the article.

"Thomas said the technology works by "basically providing a protective
bubble around a vehicle," jamming incoming signals and blocking the
remote detonation of bombs."

BB

I guess everybody has some mountain to climb.
It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet...

"BlackBeard" wrote in message
...
On Apr 8, 9:15 am, "William Black"
wrote:


Almost certainly the big drop was caused by training people how to spot
the
bloody things.


Not according to the article.

"Thomas said the technology works by "basically providing a protective
bubble around a vehicle," jamming incoming signals and blocking the
remote detonation of bombs."

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If that's the case then expect the lull to last for only a couple of months,
until the bad guys get hold of a technology that works.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

In message , William Black
writes
"BlackBeard" wrote in message
...
Not according to the article.

"Thomas said the technology works by "basically providing a protective
bubble around a vehicle," jamming incoming signals and blocking the
remote detonation of bombs."

-----------------------

If that's the case then expect the lull to last for only a couple of months,
until the bad guys get hold of a technology that works.

Whereupon the ECM gear will be modified to suit. The kit being used in
2005 is pretty much obsolete now... the WIS guys don't sit on their
laurels either.

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


pauldotjdotadam[at]googlemail{dot}.com

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...
In message , William Black
writes
"BlackBeard" wrote in message
...
Not according to the article.

"Thomas said the technology works by "basically providing a protective
bubble around a vehicle," jamming incoming signals and blocking the
remote detonation of bombs."

-----------------------

If that's the case then expect the lull to last for only a couple of
months,
until the bad guys get hold of a technology that works.

Whereupon the ECM gear will be modified to suit. The kit being used in
2005 is pretty much obsolete now... the WIS guys don't sit on their
laurels either.


True.

But the countermeasures people have to react. It's not something you can be
proactive about...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Apr 8, 9:54 pm, Andrew Swallow wrote:
Jeff wrote:
BTW, do those jammers send white noise, or are they smart enough to
fake a signal? Say, I build a small detonator from RC car parts, and it
depends on the transmitter sending "left, right, left..." every 30
seconds, with a timer starting on every signal, counting down until the
opposite side timer is started.
With a white noise jammer, no signal gets through anymore, 30 seconds
later you get *bang*...

But that is not a system that you would want to use for real, any kind of
failure or signal interuption would cause a detonation.

[snip]

Providing they kill someone they do not care. Terrorist organisations
have repeatedly show that they consider local civilians to be targets.
Western soldiers are just higher valuse targets.

Andrew Swallow

SNIP

Actually, a paper I read points out to the fanatic of any stripe, it's
the act, not the result that's important. If I get killed before I can
kill the enemy, that's unfortunate, but I 'm still a hero/martyr since
I died in the attempt.

On Apr 9, 12:39 pm, beausabre wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:54 pm, Andrew Swallow wrote:



Jeff wrote:
BTW, do those jammers send white noise, or are they smart enough to
fake a signal? Say, I build a small detonator from RC car parts, and it
depends on the transmitter sending "left, right, left..." every 30
seconds, with a timer starting on every signal, counting down until the
opposite side timer is started.
With a white noise jammer, no signal gets through anymore, 30 seconds
later you get *bang*...

But that is not a system that you would want to use for real, any kind of
failure or signal interuption would cause a detonation.

[snip]

Providing they kill someone they do not care. Terrorist organisations
have repeatedly show that they consider local civilians to be targets.
Western soldiers are just higher valuse targets.

Andrew Swallow

SNIP

Actually, a paper I read points out to the fanatic of any stripe, it's
the act, not the result that's important. If I get killed before I can
kill the enemy, that's unfortunate, but I 'm still a hero/martyr since
I died in the attempt.

could you? would you?