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In article 5q46b.365864$o%2.165280@sccrnsc02, "Juan E Jimenez"
writes: "RobertR237" wrote in message ... Again, what are the specifics that prove your point. Go look up the case. Speaks for itself. Now a question for you...even if the above case is fact and CGS has been sued, how does that justify an ongoing personal and very public assult on Chuck and CGS in USAviator and now into ANN? That's between Jim and Chuck. If it were just between them, why is it plastered all over ANN every few months? I don't really give a damn if Chuck has been sued, successfully or not, it is a fact of doing business in this country. I don't really care if you give a damn or not. DITTO! What I see as the problem is the use of a public news publication as a weapon for personal use. Jim has used his position and his publications to attack others... As Chuck used RAH to attack me with no provocation, using his (and your) usual pattern of guilt by association. The difference is that now Chuck (and you) now know that I don't just bark, I bite, and walk away with chunks. You don't bark or bite, just whine and whimper. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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In article , Pot Kettle Black
writes: RobertR237 wrote: What will it take for Jim to quit using ANN to continue the attacks on CGS and Chuck or must he put up with it forever? Perhaps the same set of circumstances that would make Chuck, and all the other group chuckies stop using this newsgroup, and or public events like flyins as a platform for their continued snide attacks of Captain Zoomy...... There is a time to hold them and a time to fold them and yet Robert there is not a month that goes by that someone doesn't start up yet another ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM thread in this very newsgroup. Of all the subjects posted here on a continuing basis I defy you to show one other subject that has not been beaten to death ad nausem ad naseum as this one has these past few years. Since you yourself take part in many of the Zoomy threads with great glee why do you get upset when someone like Jim Campbell uses their own publications to fight back. Good, bad or indifferent what makes YOU any better than HIM. By YOUR very own posting history on the subject..... nothing!!! Good agrument but doesn't wash. This is a participation newsgroup where anyone and everyone has an opportunity to establish their views and offer a rebuttal. Show me where Zoom offers the same opportunity. His is a one sided attack without option for the opposition views to be heard by any of his readers. Big difference, and if you can't see that, you are not looking. Hell, even the local news stations offer free rebuttle time for those with opposing opinions views to editorials. The only response I ever got from Jim Campbell for offering an opposing view on something was the threat of legal action for contacting him. Now go back into hiding in your pottie. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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"Russell Kent" wrote in message ... Here's an interesting thought: ANN presumably portrays itself as an unbaised source of news about all things aviation I only check out ANN when somebody brings it up here on RAH. In almost every case, I see a case a questionable journalism, within moments. Check out this blurb that appeared on ANN: "Risky Business": Adam's A-700 Flight To Oshkosh. Barely a week after their totally new bird with totally new engines takes flight, Adam Aircraft decided to bring it to Oshkosh. While many consider the move gutsy (including our staff, begrudgingly), we consider the move questionable. Already under fire for safety practices and other concerns, what chance this aircraft has of seeing the light of day (certification and production wise) were put into jeopardy for what we consider a PR stunt that had questionable value and WAY too many risks... Is this good journalism? |
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In article , Russell Kent writes:
Here's an interesting thought: ANN presumably portrays itself as an unbaised source of news about all things aviation (I can't confirm this/quote ANN at the moment since the ANN website seems to be broken). Assuming this is true, why would ANN permit "a number" of people (here in the newsgroup) to continue to believe that it *is* biased against CGS aviation and/or Chuck Slusarczyk? I mean if Chuck really is a bad guy, don't simply demonize him by calling him names ("con-artist"), but publish the facts of Chuck's badness so that ANN's readers can be informed. Calling him names ("Clown") seems to support some people's perception that ANN has some personal bias against Chuck, whereas publishing unshaded facts would seem to portray ANN as an unbiased news source. Just my own ramblings... Russell Kent I asked the same question of Jim Campbell years ago and the response was a threat of legal action among others. Seems I was labeled a terrorist for even asking. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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In article , Bernie the Bunion
writes: Corky Scott wrote: Chuck did not start this latest thread, but the way, Jim Campbell did by ranting about Chuck in ANN. Chuck has a right to defend himself. Just what pray tell has THIS NEWSGROUP got to do with a commercial website owned by Jim Campbell. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't recall any posts in this newsgroup by Jim Campbell but I sure see lots of posts in this newsgroup about him. Usually by people that are not directly involved with the continuing saga between Chuck and Jim. People like YOU Corky who have no direct involvement in the squabble. Chuck has a right to defend himself. Then let Chuck write a letter to the editor or sue him for slander. What the heck does his ongoing, ad naseum problem have to do with this newsgroup or buidling planes. Name one realistic reason why every month someone just like you feels the need to troll this newsgroup by starting yet another Captain Zoom thread in this newsgroup. Just one Corky.... Just one. The education of the masses..... Trust me Corky the masses in this group have had all the education they need on this subject. Chuck did not start the latest thread...... Your god damn right he did... Last night if my feeble memory serves me. What came first the chicken or the egg. At this stage of the game who cares. Excuse me Bernie, but the newsgroup is about rec.aviation.homebuilt and zoomers attack was on a member of that community. That kind of attack in any forum will have an effect on all of us. Sorry it if bothers you, look at the title and ignore it. Don't read it. Kill it. Or as you have done here and now, exercise your option to bitch about it. Your choice and your freedom to respond which is more than Jim Campbell ever gave anyone who compained about one of his editorials. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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In article sk86b.368550$o%2.166125@sccrnsc02, "C.D. Damron"
writes: I only check out ANN when somebody brings it up here on RAH. In almost every case, I see a case a questionable journalism, within moments. Check out this blurb that appeared on ANN: "Risky Business": Adam's A-700 Flight To Oshkosh. Barely a week after their totally new bird with totally new engines takes flight, Adam Aircraft decided to bring it to Oshkosh. While many consider the move gutsy (including our staff, begrudgingly), we consider the move questionable. Already under fire for safety practices and other concerns, what chance this aircraft has of seeing the light of day (certification and production wise) were put into jeopardy for what we consider a PR stunt that had questionable value and WAY too many risks... Is this good journalism? It is an editorial which has never required good journalism but in every reputable medium that I know of, they offer a chance for rebuttal. Our local TV Channels often do editorials on all sorts of subject but always offer to give equal air time to any opposing views. The newspapers do the same and have a letters to the editor section that allows for opposing views. In fact, both the pro and con arguments will be presented at the same time and given equal space. Campbell has never offered the same capability regarding his editoral content in either USAviator or on his most recent "publication" ANN. In reference to your quoted story, where is the view from Adam Aircraft on why they felt it was necessary to have their plane at the biggest and most important aviation even of the year? Was it really a risk to bring it here or not? Were they even asked to comment? I doubt it but if they were, obviously their comments were ignored. The sad part of all this is that Campbell had a good idea with ANN. He was not the first to come up with it, AVWEB has done a similar site for longer, but it is still a good idea. He will continue to use it as his personal attack medium and will eventually drive away both readers and sponsors, especially if he continues to bill them for advertising they didn't request. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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RobertR237 wrote: In reference to your quoted story, where is the view from Adam Aircraft on why they felt it was necessary to have their plane at the biggest and most important aviation even of the year? Was it really a risk to bring it here or not? Were they even asked to comment? I doubt it but if they were, obviously their comments were ignored. I haven't been to ANN for quite a while, but has Adam Aircraft advertised with zoom? Or did he use his reported tactic of putting in unauthorized advertising and then sending a bill for it? |
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"Juan E Jimenez" wrote in message news:ESU5b.356168$YN5.243591@sccrnsc01...
"C.D. Damron" wrote in message .net... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++SNIP++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It is interesting to note why so many people have come to hold Chuck in such high esteem. How does that happen, Juan? Probably the same way as many or more people hold Jim Campbell in high esteem. juan; The same way as many or more people hold jim campbell in high esteem. Are you kidding? That statement could only come from someone whos' cognitive skills have slipped,alzheimers setting in? Eat alot of paint chips when you were a kid? As the locals here in Jakarta would say "goblok lu",(you are a total idiot). Have a nice day,Frank: |
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