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Old February 7th 12, 01:24 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Charlie Papa[_2_]
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It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
and new interiors.

I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
chatter about the escalating values of twins. I would appreciate
informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.

Charles Peteresen
Freedom's Wings Canada
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Old February 7th 12, 04:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Tim Taylor
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On Feb 6, 5:24*pm, Charlie Papa wrote:
It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
and new interiors.

I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
chatter about the escalating values of twins. *I would appreciate
informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.

Charles Peteresen
Freedom's Wings Canada


Big factor in Grob value is useful load. Can make as much as $20k
difference in price.
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Old February 8th 12, 06:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Larry Suter
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On Feb 6, 8:43*pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Feb 6, 5:24*pm, Charlie Papa wrote:

It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
and new interiors.


I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
chatter about the escalating values of twins. *I would appreciate
informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.


Charles Peteresen
Freedom's Wings Canada


appx $25K-$35K depending on condition and payload seems to be the
current asking rate with a few higher/lower due to payload, damage, or
other considerations. *Always insure against replacement cost, never
under insure.

Frank Whiteley


If you have a Grob-103s in good condition for sale at $25-35K, we'd be
happy to take it off your hands. Except someone else would beat us to
it. My informal market survey (regular follower of Wings & Wheels)
indicates the market for two place ships has dried up since the Blanik
AD grounded all the L-13 trainers.

Larry
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Old February 8th 12, 06:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Frank Whiteley
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Default Grob Value?

On Feb 7, 10:10*pm, Larry Suter wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:43*pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:









On Feb 6, 5:24*pm, Charlie Papa wrote:


It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
and new interiors.


I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
chatter about the escalating values of twins. *I would appreciate
informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.


Charles Peteresen
Freedom's Wings Canada


appx $25K-$35K depending on condition and payload seems to be the
current asking rate with a few higher/lower due to payload, damage, or
other considerations. *Always insure against replacement cost, never
under insure.


Frank Whiteley


If you have a Grob-103s in good condition for sale at $25-35K, we'd be
happy to take it off your hands. Except someone else would beat us to
it. My informal market survey (regular follower of Wings & Wheels)
indicates the market for two place ships has dried up since the Blanik
AD grounded all the L-13 trainers.

Larry


You need to shop the European markets.

Frank
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Old March 19th 12, 01:11 AM
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We looking a Grob to buy, you are interested in selling?

thnaks

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Whiteley View Post
On Feb 7, 10:10*pm, Larry Suter wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:43*pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:









On Feb 6, 5:24*pm, Charlie Papa wrote:


It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
and new interiors.


I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
chatter about the escalating values of twins. *I would appreciate
informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.


Charles Peteresen
Freedom's Wings Canada


appx $25K-$35K depending on condition and payload seems to be the
current asking rate with a few higher/lower due to payload, damage, or
other considerations. *Always insure against replacement cost, never
under insure.


Frank Whiteley


If you have a Grob-103s in good condition for sale at $25-35K, we'd be
happy to take it off your hands. Except someone else would beat us to
it. My informal market survey (regular follower of Wings & Wheels)
indicates the market for two place ships has dried up since the Blanik
AD grounded all the L-13 trainers.

Larry


You need to shop the European markets.

Frank
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Old March 19th 12, 07:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Papa3[_2_]
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On Monday, February 6, 2012 7:24:01 PM UTC-5, Charlie Papa wrote:
It is time to renew the insurance on a Grob Twin Astir T (fixed gear)
and a Grob 103 Twin II Acro, both in very good shape with ~3000 hurs,
and new interiors.

I have just returned from the SSA convention, and there was a lot of
chatter about the escalating values of twins. I would appreciate
informed opinions on the value of such gliders in today's market.

Charles Peteresen
Freedom's Wings Canada


Hi Charles,

I'm very late in responding; I just noticed your post. I recently went through exactly this exercise. As you've already noticed, there is virtually no inventory in the US/Canada, so it's very hard to find a meaningful price. My club bought a Twin Astir last year for $22K including trailer. It was mechanically sound but cosmetically awful (gelcoat coming off in chunks). 600 hours of labor later (I'll be writing this up for Soaring soon), we have a DIY refinished glider with beautiful Urethane-painted wings and partially refinished fuselage. I just insured it for $38K with $2K for the so-so homebuilt steel trailer. I think it would be very difficult to find a good (forget about great) condition G103 for any less than $35K for the glider itself. There are ships in Europe, but by the time you figure exchange rate, deregistration, shipping, importing, etc., you still end up at $35K or more.

Email back if you want any more documentation.

Erik Mann
P3
 




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