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Airgizmo and Garmin 496 Install Saga
Marco Leon wrote:
That leaves Pennsylvania as the closest. I have a quote from Penn Avionics and I'm trying to get a day to go there. They've done a number of these already and know exactly what I want and their prices are not bad. Their FSDO is OK with it as a logbook entry but they can do the field approval for some extra $$. They also brought up a good point in that if I get a 337 to cover me "just in case," I'll need another 337 to take it out if I sell the plane and want to keep the 496. Marco, I know Peter well. He does all the avionics work on our airplane. If he says it can be done, it will be done properly. Tell him I sent you. -Doug -------------------- Doug Vetter, ATP/CFI http://www.dvatp.com -------------------- |
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If anyone in the northeast area has had better success, I'd be interested in a PIREP. Although I am not in the Northeast, here is another datapoint. The folks here at JA Air Center (Northeast Illinois - DPA) say they have done several installations. Our local FSDO is about 1 block away from their facility. If I recall, they were talking logbook entry and nothing more. You might give them a call to see what they are doing. These guys are usually pretty "by the book" and work very closely with their FSDO. I have given this a lot of thought myself. I am concerned about whether I will be able ot SEE the thing way across the panel. The screen is hard enough to see on the yoke mount. At 51, the Mk I eyeballs (2 each) are beginning to need reading glasses. On the yoke, it is a bit of a challenge to see the small details. Across the panel with the engine running, in light-moderate bumps, and on instruments, I really don't know how I would be able to use it. That is also REALLY outside of my scan. In those conditions, the yoke mount appears to be a better bet. Any of you PPSEL - IA folks use one in actual from the dock? Good Luck, Mike |
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"Marco Leon" wrote in message
oups.com... Steve Foley wrote: Call Conrad at the Radio Shop in Worcester , MA (ORH). 508-757-6954 Tell him I told you to call. It won't do you any good, but it may help me I take it he won't do the install either. I have no idea if he'll install it or not. I use him for a transponder check every two years. I doubt he'll give you a discount for knowing me. My next time, I may get one for directing business his way. |
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Mike Spera wrote:
[snip] I have given this a lot of thought myself. I am concerned about whether I will be able ot SEE the thing way across the panel. The screen is hard enough to see on the yoke mount. At 51, the Mk I eyeballs (2 each) are beginning to need reading glasses. On the yoke, it is a bit of a challenge to see the small details. Across the panel with the engine running, in light-moderate bumps, and on instruments, I really don't know how I would be able to use it. That is also REALLY outside of my scan. In those conditions, the yoke mount appears to be a better bet. Viewing it concerns me too but a little differently. I've noticed that for some reason, the terrain detail on the 496 gets lost when viewing the screen from the left at the slightest offset angle and not at all from the right. Virtually all the other detail (like airspace and field values) can be seen from the left however. Luckily, the terrain warnings can be seen OK so it's more of a cosmetic issue but annoying nonetheless. Anyone else notice this? I'll install the angled dock if it get too annoying but I'd rather not. Marco |
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Ray Andraka wrote:
Seems the FSDO that serves Connecticut not only won't approve them, but will ramp any plane he sees them in and tag it as an unapproved mod. His issue is apparently with it being PVC it won't pass the burn test for interior furnishings (I didn't know that applied to anything other than the fabric, but that's beside the point). I'll bet the royalite panel overlay that is factory original won't pass the burn test either and will generate just as much toxic fumes if ignited as that air gizmo will. One of the Connecticut shops said that they have made sheet metal holders similar in appearance and function to the air-gizmo, and that there is no problem getting those past the FSDO, but the plastic ones won't fly. He suggested a RAM mount bolted to the panel (which I think looks clunky) as an alternative that is considerably cheaper than making a metal Air-gizmo. Thanks Ray, that's good to know. I bet this dude will have a field day during next year's AOPA Convention. Sounds like he's made it his own little mission--a true FAA'er. And you're right, all that plastic around my Warrior's panel would suffer the same fate in the event of a fire. I got ramp-checked during my first solo x-country so I should be good for 20 years or so Marco |
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Field approvals are 100% discretionary. They can deny them on the basis that they don't feel like it, if that's what they want to do. And there's nothing you can do about it. |
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Mike Granby wrote: Field approvals are 100% discretionary. They can deny them on the basis that they don't feel like it, if that's what they want to do. Hogwash. And there's nothing you can do about it. FSDO is not in the loop anymore as all field approvals go right to OKC now. |
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Newps wrote: Hogwash I disagree. If the FSDO don't want to issue the Field Approval, you have no further recourse, except to try and get it through a different FSDO. FSDO is not in the loop anymore as all field approvals go right to OKC now. Nonsense. I got a field approval last year on a Boom Beam, and it was most certainly sent to the FSDO. The submission goes to the FSDO, and then perhaps to the ACO if it's particular complicated, but it's still the FSDO that controls the process. Now, the completed 337s go straight to OK City, but that's something else entirely. See... http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert...d_approv_proc/ |
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FSDO is not in the loop anymore as all field approvals go right to OKC now. Really ???? What FSDO do you work under? I still send my field approvals to my PMI and he stamps them and sends them back to me. When I return the plane to service I send the signed 337 to OKC per the change to appendix B part 43. Cheers: Paul N1431A A&P IA |
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Mike Granby wrote: Newps wrote: Hogwash I disagree. If the FSDO don't want to issue the Field Approval, you have no further recourse, except to try and get it through a different FSDO. You miss the point. It doesn't need a field approval in the first place. Find a mechanic with some balls. FSDO is not in the loop anymore as all field approvals go right to OKC now. Nonsense. I got a field approval last year on a Boom Beam, Yes, last year. As of the last few weeks local FSDO's are out of the loop. All 337's go to OKC now and are not reviewed for airworthiness. and it was most certainly sent to the FSDO. The submission goes to the FSDO, and then perhaps to the ACO if it's particular complicated, but it's still the FSDO that controls the process. Now, the completed 337s go straight to OK City, but that's something else entirely. FSDO is completely out of the picture. Your options are to get a mechanic who knows the regs and realizes an Air Gizmo is not now and not ever something that needs a field approval. For something that does need approval you can either submit it to the FAA in OKC and they will get around to it when they get around to it. This could take years. Another option is to hire a DER to provide your mechanic with the required data. Either way the local FSDO doesn't have thing one to say about it. |
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