Cessna's response to negative feedback on Skycatcher being builtin China

Yeah, it sucks that damned few certificated aircraft qualify. I'm going to
wind up spending six figures on a new airplane because of it.

There are several "Legacy LSA's" available for far less. They include:

- Aeronca 7AC $20 - $25K
- Piper J3 Cub $25 - $55K
- Taylorcraft BC12D $17 - $27K
- Ercoupe 415C $20K - $28K

(Source: Aviation Consumer magazine, January 2008.)

There is no need to spend a lot of money to fly LSAs.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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On 2008-01-07, Jay Honeck wrote:
Yeah, it sucks that damned few certificated aircraft qualify. I'm going to
wind up spending six figures on a new airplane because of it.
There are several "Legacy LSA's" available for far less. They include:
- Aeronca 7AC $20 - $25K
- Piper J3 Cub $25 - $55K
- Taylorcraft BC12D $17 - $27K
- Ercoupe 415C $20K - $28K

Unfortunately, all of these have serious issues with longevity, and those
that don't are both desirable and scarce. I'm also looking for an aircraft
that I can fly IFR if the medical issues get resolved, and none of those
qualify.

There is no need to spend a lot of money to fly LSAs.

Perhaps not, but I'm not just looking to fly *something*. I'm looking to fly
something I can keep for a long time.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

Jay Maynard wrote in
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On 2008-01-07, Jay Honeck wrote:
Yeah, it sucks that damned few certificated aircraft qualify. I'm
going to wind up spending six figures on a new airplane because of
it.
There are several "Legacy LSA's" available for far less. They
include: - Aeronca 7AC $20 - $25K
- Piper J3 Cub $25 - $55K
- Taylorcraft BC12D $17 - $27K
- Ercoupe 415C $20K - $28K

Unfortunately, all of these have serious issues with longevity,

Uh, no they dont.



Bertie

On 2008-01-07, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jay Maynard wrote in
:
On 2008-01-07, Jay Honeck wrote:
Yeah, it sucks that damned few certificated aircraft qualify. I'm
going to wind up spending six figures on a new airplane because of
it.
There are several "Legacy LSA's" available for far less. They
include: - Aeronca 7AC $20 - $25K
- Piper J3 Cub $25 - $55K
- Taylorcraft BC12D $17 - $27K
- Ercoupe 415C $20K - $28K
Unfortunately, all of these have serious issues with longevity,
Uh, no they dont.

Let's look:

Ercoupe: Extruded aluminum spars. They were fine in the 1940s, but 50 years
on, they've got corrosion problems. A friend helped someone fix an Ercoupe
with a busted wing, and they looked at and rejected 18 wings before finding
a usable one.

Aeronca: Lots of these get treated like Citabrias, but aren't. Loose nails
and ribs held in place entirely by the fabric are all too common.

J3: Corrosion and wing wood rotting are quite common, too.

I don't know about the Taylorcraft, but being built in the same era and with
the same techniques, are likely to have the same problems.

Sure, if you look carefully, you can find good aircraft. A prepurchase
inspection is something always to be done before buying. OTOH, how many
aircraft will I have to look at before finding a good one?
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

Unfortunately, all of these have serious issues with longevity, and those
that don't are both desirable and scarce. I'm also looking for an aircraft
that I can fly IFR if the medical issues get resolved, and none of those
qualify.

Ah, gotcha.

That last prerequisite is gonna make your LSA much more pricey than most.

Have you flown a CT? That little plane was just a gas to fly -- quick,
nimble, and modern.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Maynard wrote in
:

On 2008-01-07, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jay Maynard wrote in
:
On 2008-01-07, Jay Honeck wrote:
Yeah, it sucks that damned few certificated aircraft qualify. I'm
going to wind up spending six figures on a new airplane because of
it.
There are several "Legacy LSA's" available for far less. They
include: - Aeronca 7AC $20 - $25K
- Piper J3 Cub $25 - $55K
- Taylorcraft BC12D $17 - $27K
- Ercoupe 415C $20K - $28K
Unfortunately, all of these have serious issues with longevity,
Uh, no they dont.

Let's look:

Ercoupe: Extruded aluminum spars. They were fine in the 1940s, but 50
years on, they've got corrosion problems. A friend helped someone fix
an Ercoupe with a busted wing, and they looked at and rejected 18
wings before finding a usable one.

They deserve to die anyway.


Aeronca: Lots of these get treated like Citabrias, but aren't. Loose
nails and ribs held in place entirely by the fabric are all too
common.


So? Fix them.

J3: Corrosion and wing wood rotting are quite common, too.

Again, so what? anyone can learn to repair them. Tubing can be patched,
replaced or a whole new fuselage built.
Spars are easily replaced at recover and most cubs have had their spars
replaced nyway.
most cubs flying today have no wood in their wings anyway.


I don't know about the Taylorcraft, but being built in the same era
and with the same techniques, are likely to have the same problems.

Sure, if you look carefully, you can find good aircraft. A prepurchase
inspection is something always to be done before buying. OTOH, how
many aircraft will I have to look at before finding a good one?

One if it;s the first one.


I've owned a lot of these airplanes and just bought another.

And BTW, Citabria wings are, for all intents and purposes, the same as
Aeronca wings.


The Luscombe has corrosion issues as well. All parts are available to
repair them. I know. I have.


All of these airplanes will outlive any plastic airplane being built
today as long as they are loved.

Therfore, their longevity is assured. Hell, just about anyone could
build one from scratch and plenty of people do. there just isn't
anything on them that can;'t be fixed,

Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
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Unfortunately, all of these have serious issues with longevity, and
those that don't are both desirable and scarce. I'm also looking for
an aircraft that I can fly IFR if the medical issues get resolved,
and none of those qualify.

Ah, gotcha.


No, you don't


Bertie

On Jan 5, 5:42*pm, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-01-05, William Hung wrote:

Doesn't the 150/2s qualify for LSA status?

No. Certificated max gross weight is too high (1320 pounds). If it did
qualify, I'd go buy one, instead of looking at new LSAs.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.nethttp://www..hercules-390.org* * * * * * * (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff athttp://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

So I've been told. I still might get one.

Wil

The way the cowards continue to blow up our soldiers and civilian support
people with suicide bombs, they deserve no protection, either. The fact
that they are still kept alive is more than they deserve.

How do you know that they are guilty of anything? They haven't even been
charged.

POWs are rarely charged with crimes. They are merely held until the war is
over.

In this case, that could be a life sentence.

But don't worry. In another year we'll have a whole new set of attorneys
arguing the case.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"