Discus verus Discus 2, LS8, ASW 28

At 20:55 26 October 2006, Ruud wrote:
'BTW, there are only few ASW28 for sale, while you
can fill oceans with second hand LS8 and D2.'

Could have something to do with how many have been
produced!
Roughly twice as many Discus 2's as ASW28's , and probably
3 times as many LS8's. (all models).
Seem to be quite a few 28's for sale on segelflug.de
at the moment!

Face it the 28 has just not had the contest success
of the Discus 2 or LS8 - even Waibel admitted it's
intial sales were a disappointment (but improved by
the addition of the 28-18 model).

At 20:55 26 October 2006, Ruud wrote:
'BTW, there are only few ASW28 for sale, while you
can fill oceans with second hand LS8 and D2.'

Could have something to do with how many have been
produced!
Roughly twice as many Discus 2's as ASW28's , and probably
3 times as many LS8's. (all models).
Seem to be quite a few 28's for sale on segelflug.de
at the moment!

Face it the 28 has just not had the contest success
of the Discus 2 or LS8 - even Waibel admitted it's
intial sales were a disappointment (but improved by
the addition of the 28-18 model).

Jack

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/03/carreragt06_11.jpg

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/turd.jpg

I hope my visual comparison is helpful.

Tom

At 14:42 23 October 2006, Jack wrote:
Marc Ramsey wrote:
Jack wrote:
Enough already!

How about the DG-303?

You asking or suggesting?


I'd like to see the DG-303 included in these comparisons.


Jack

Tom Smith wrote:
Jack

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/03/carreragt06_11.jpg

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/turd.jpg

I hope my visual comparison is helpful.

Thanks for pointing this out 8^)

It does bring up an something I learned, though, during the period when
I found racing gliders to be enjoyable. The difference in performance
between, say, a DG-303 and a Discus 2A, is not enough to overcome poor
piloting skills on a given day. On those days when things were clicking
for me, and I was making the "right" choices, my turd could stay with or
outrun everyone else in the standard class field. On a more typical
day, I could be flying the only Discus 3 around, and still end up at the
back of the pack. In my opinion, most of those obsessed with
determining the "best" standard (or any) class glider, would be better
off figuring out what they would be most comfortable flying,
independent of whatever slight deficit in performance they might suffer
from...

Marc

Tom Smith wrote:
Jack

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/03/carreragt06_11.jpg

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/turd.jpg

I hope my visual comparison is helpful.


Tom,

I'm happy to see that you share my view that the DG-303 is incomparably
better than the rest of the standard class field, and that any disparity
in competition achievement is probably due to the relative quality of
the pilots and/or numbers of aircraft built.

Your equating the DG-303 with the 2006 Carerra GT in their respective
fields was apt indeed, though the "turd" reference was perhaps a little
harsh on the competition.

I note that you are not a member of SSA. From what material does one
usually build a glider in your corner of the universe?


Jack

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At 14:42 23 October 2006, Jack wrote:
Marc Ramsey wrote:
Jack wrote:
Enough already!

How about the DG-303?
You asking or suggesting?

I'd like to see the DG-303 included in these comparisons.


Jack

Tom,

I'm happy to see that you share my view that the DG-303
is incomparably
better than the rest of the standard class field, and
that any disparity
in competition achievement is probably due to the relative
quality of
the pilots and/or numbers of aircraft built.

Jack,

You’re clearly suffering from a serious case of delusion!

Your equating the DG-303 with the 2006 Carerra GT in
their respective
fields was apt indeed, though the 'turd' reference
was perhaps a little
harsh on the competition.

I note that you are not a member of SSA. From what
material does one
usually build a glider in your corner of the universe?

Funny you should ask; the rest of the universe has
been wondering the same thing about your corner. We
had concluded that your glider manufacturers had discovered
how to isolate and work the ugly atom. Perhaps you
could confirm or dispel these rumours.

Many thanks,

Tom

Tom Smith wrote:
Tom,

I'm happy to see that you share my view that the DG-303
is incomparably
better than the rest of the standard class field, and
that any disparity
in competition achievement is probably due to the relative
quality of
the pilots and/or numbers of aircraft built.

Jack,

You’re clearly suffering from a serious case of delusion!

Your equating the DG-303 with the 2006 Carerra GT in
their respective
fields was apt indeed, though the 'turd' reference
was perhaps a little
harsh on the competition.

I note that you are not a member of SSA. From what
material does one
usually build a glider in your corner of the universe?

Funny you should ask; the rest of the universe has
been wondering the same thing about your corner. We
had concluded that your glider manufacturers had discovered
how to isolate and work the ugly atom. Perhaps you
could confirm or dispel these rumours.

Many thanks,

Tom


See:

http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/

http://www.glidersport.net/

http://www.continuo.com/marske/

http://www.agcsc.org/sgs_1_34_info.html

http://www.windward-performance.com/

http://www.ssa.org/JohnsonLWBX/Genesis2%202000-03.pdf


The problem is not a lack of appreciation for either aerodynamics or
aesthetics, but a matter of production costs and exchange rates. Those
challenges will be overcome.


Jack

Jack wrote:
Tom Smith wrote:
Tom,

I'm happy to see that you share my view that the DG-303
is incomparably better than the rest of the standard class field, and
that any disparity in competition achievement is probably due to the
relative
quality of the pilots and/or numbers of aircraft built.

Jack,

You’re clearly suffering from a serious case of delusion!

Your equating the DG-303 with the 2006 Carerra GT in
their respective fields was apt indeed, though the 'turd' reference
was perhaps a little harsh on the competition.

I note that you are not a member of SSA. From what
material does one usually build a glider in your corner of the universe?

Funny you should ask; the rest of the universe has
been wondering the same thing about your corner. We
had concluded that your glider manufacturers had discovered
how to isolate and work the ugly atom. Perhaps you
could confirm or dispel these rumours.

Many thanks,
Tom


See:

http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/

http://www.glidersport.net/

http://www.continuo.com/marske/

http://www.agcsc.org/sgs_1_34_info.html

http://www.windward-performance.com/

http://www.ssa.org/JohnsonLWBX/Genesis2%202000-03.pdf


The problem is not a lack of appreciation for either aerodynamics or
aesthetics, but a matter of production costs and exchange rates. Those
challenges will be overcome.

We're sure taking care of the exchange rate portion of the problem :-p


Shawn


P.S. Happy Halloween! Of all the hijacked religious holidays, this one
has the best movies. :-)

Shawn wrote:
Jack wrote:
Tom Smith wrote:
Tom,

I'm happy to see that you share my view that the DG-303
is incomparably better than the rest of the standard class field, and
that any disparity in competition achievement is probably due to the
relative
quality of the pilots and/or numbers of aircraft built.

Jack,

You’re clearly suffering from a serious case of delusion!

Your equating the DG-303 with the 2006 Carerra GT in
their respective fields was apt indeed, though the 'turd' reference
was perhaps a little harsh on the competition.

I note that you are not a member of SSA. From what
material does one usually build a glider in your corner of the
universe?

Funny you should ask; the rest of the universe has
been wondering the same thing about your corner. We
had concluded that your glider manufacturers had discovered
how to isolate and work the ugly atom. Perhaps you
could confirm or dispel these rumours.

Many thanks,
Tom


See:

http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/

http://www.glidersport.net/

http://www.continuo.com/marske/

http://www.agcsc.org/sgs_1_34_info.html

http://www.windward-performance.com/

http://www.ssa.org/JohnsonLWBX/Genesis2%202000-03.pdf


The problem is not a lack of appreciation for either aerodynamics or
aesthetics, but a matter of production costs and exchange rates. Those
challenges will be overcome.

We're sure taking care of the exchange rate portion of the problem :-p


Not, obviously, by direct assault. Nanotech might do it, unless you
actually wanted a glider big enough for your body.


Jack