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Trim settings the same for takeoff and landing?
On Apr 21, 11:35*am, Ari wrote:
On 21 Apr 2010 13:08:22 GMT, Bob Moore wrote: Mark wrote Because you fly out at 65 kts and land at the same speed. *The commonality is your airspeed. Mark, you have failed to consider that in most lightplanes, the TO is made with FLAPS UP and landings are generally made with FULL FLAPS. Flaps require a really large trim adjustment, remember the GO-AROUND... the large trim change required immediately after applying power and raising the flaps? The difference between TO power and approach power also adds to this large trim change in propellor driven aircraft. Bob Moore ATP CFII PanAm (retired) Failed to consider? You're posting to the next Mxsmanic. -- A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj Motto: Live To Spooge It! Beat it asshole. You are the crossposting, spamming, post forging, non-pilot who floods this group. |
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Trim settings the same for takeoff and landing?
On Apr 21, 4:39*pm, george wrote:
On Apr 22, 1:02*am, " wrote: On Apr 21, 12:44*am, Dave Doe wrote: So many variables. **Plane* for starters! Of course in simulators it will be the same. *He doesnt' fly a plane where weight and balance issues come to play that affect trim settings like in my real plane. Ummm, for starters plane comes in lighter after a flight.... *:-))) One other thing, I wouldn't have my trim set in the same spot on EVERY flight either :-))) as you allude above, more variables then just set trim and take off / land. I found that I trimmed the aircraft to fly in what ever attitude I required at that time. I didn't make a point of examining where the pointer was . Exactly. In one plane I fly, the white line is pretty much worn off beyond recognition. ( I find it later after landing) --- Mark |
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Several times, while flying from Denver to Salt Lake (direct) in my 182, the
air was so smooth that there was no sensation of movement at all, if I closed my eyes, and I could lazily climb or descend at 100 to 200 fpm just by leaning forward or back in my seat. At those times, it was a lot like flying a simulator, except MUCH more stable and with way better graphics! Jon wrote in message ... On Apr 21, 3:39 pm, george wrote: I found that I trimmed the aircraft to fly in what ever attitude I required at that time. I didn't make a point of examining where the pointer was . Exactomundo. Heck, I lean forward or lean back and find myself having to adjust trim. You just know to adjust it, not look down and set at a predetermine setting and expect it to be the same setting on landing. Guess that's missed in the realism setting of 10 in MSFS LOL |
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Bob Moore wrote:
... in most lightplanes, the TO is made with FLAPS UP and landings are generally made with FULL FLAPS. Flaps require a really large trim adjustment, remember the GO-AROUND... the large trim change required immediately after applying power and raising the flaps? The difference between TO power and approach power also adds to this large trim change in propeller driven aircraft. Bob Moore ATP CFII PanAm (retired) Yep: flaps and power setting determine trim needed in numerous aircraft types. Brian W |
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george wrote:
/snip/ I found that I trimmed the aircraft to fly in what ever attitude I required at that time. I didn't make a point of examining where the pointer was . Better check the trim setting before applying power on the takeoff. As the Vital Actions used to be recited: (and are now read out, in some form...) Trim for takeoff Throttle nut tight Mixture rich Air cold Prop pitch fine Fuel on mains Flaps as required Harness and Hatches secure Instruments in limits and set Brian W |
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On Apr 21, 9:32*am, Mark wrote:
Snippage as simulation doesn't really translate to the real world. Thanks. --- Mark Bob Moore ATP CFII PanAm (retired) To quote the bunyip: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah genius, tell that to Boeing, LockMart and nasa to name a few. Idiot. |
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On Apr 22, 7:05*am, brian whatcott wrote:
Bob Moore wrote: ... *in most lightplanes, the TO is made with FLAPS UP and landings are generally made with FULL FLAPS. Flaps require a really large trim adjustment, remember the GO-AROUND... the large trim change required immediately after applying power and raising the flaps? The difference between TO power and approach power also adds to this large trim change in propeller driven aircraft. Bob Moore ATP CFII PanAm (retired) Yep: flaps and power setting determine trim needed in numerous aircraft types. Brian W My certificate says SEL among other things. I do pay attention to setting the trim to the recommended settings for take off, but that is the only time I look at the marks. After that it's simply trimming to remove yoke pressures except I no longer adjust trim when I'm breaking the descent and pulling back for landing. That leaves the trim in a reasonable place -- not ideal -- should it be necessary to go around. At least it will not be set for the nose up attitude I use for touch down. For sure if I have to fly a miss from 20 feet agl I won't be fighting with an airplane badly out of climb trim. For sim jockeys, that is a real life issue if a deer happens to wander onto the runway, or the guy waiting to take off starts to taxi onto the active at the wrong time, or if tower says "Mooney 201whatever go around!." |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 04:35:23 -0700 (PDT), Richard wrote:
On Apr 21, 9:32*am, Mark wrote: Snippage as simulation doesn't really translate to the real world. --- Mark To quote the bunyip: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah genius, tell that to Boeing, LockMart and nasa to name a few. Idiot. Now, now , Richard, if you upset Mark(ie) he'll swear out *DEATH THREATS* on you, change his name three dozen times, and TROLL your ass off. He's really quite the bi-polar nazz that boi is. *snicker* -- A fireside chat not with Ari! http://tr.im/holj Motto: Live To Spooge It! |
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