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I had suspected that a Rstol kit was available for the 206. Did it make the
control feel heavy in roll when maneuvering aggressively? Blue skies to all. "Teranews" wrote in message news:1110905672.beb14466ee7812b1cb84a18618da6a10@t eranews... Correct. I flew a turbo 206 with the Robertson kit. It would droop the ailerons 10 degrees with the first 15 degrees of flap. We regularly operated in and out of a 500 foot strip in Southern Oregon for 14 years. Al snip |
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On 14 Mar 2005 13:40:45 -0800, "M" wrote:
I've seen 747 using both the ailerons and outboard spoilers for roll control. However I've never seen the aileron-as-flap thing until I saw it on the A-330. And I'm quite certain that B-737, 747, 757 and 767 don't do that. Nor do I think A-320 families do that either. I've been on a A-340 once but I didn't pay attention to the control services, it probably does it just like A-330. Never rode on a B777. If you notice on most of the Boeings, they have inboard and outboard ailerons. The outboards are locked out with flaps retracted and roll comes from the inboards and spoilers. |
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Yes, it did. After an afternoon of horsing it around, my left elbow was raw
from the armrest. Made for good upper body strength though. Al "private" wrote in message news:6HIZd.689751$8l.10062@pd7tw1no... I had suspected that a Rstol kit was available for the 206. Did it make the control feel heavy in roll when maneuvering aggressively? Blue skies to all. "Teranews" wrote in message news:1110905672.beb14466ee7812b1cb84a18618da6a10@t eranews... Correct. I flew a turbo 206 with the Robertson kit. It would droop the ailerons 10 degrees with the first 15 degrees of flap. We regularly operated in and out of a 500 foot strip in Southern Oregon for 14 years. Al snip |
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Was it heavier all the time (flaps up) or just when maneuvering with
flaps+15/aileron+10 ? What is the attitude on final with full flaps? Blue skies to all "Teranews" wrote in message news:1110928754.003f917ce6e34bbe271b2bbe6e8f8f2a@t eranews... Yes, it did. After an afternoon of horsing it around, my left elbow was raw from the armrest. Made for good upper body strength though. Al "private" wrote in message news:6HIZd.689751$8l.10062@pd7tw1no... I had suspected that a Rstol kit was available for the 206. Did it make the control feel heavy in roll when maneuvering aggressively? Blue skies to all. "Teranews" wrote in message news:1110905672.beb14466ee7812b1cb84a18618da6a10@t eranews... Correct. I flew a turbo 206 with the Robertson kit. It would droop the ailerons 10 degrees with the first 15 degrees of flap. We regularly operated in and out of a 500 foot strip in Southern Oregon for 14 years. Al snip |
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It wasn't bad with the flaps up, but got heavier with them down. I didn't
notice any change in attitude with the Robertson kit, but Power off, Full flap, Heavy, that airplane would go downhill rapidly. Al "private" wrote in message newsiKZd.687533$Xk.217695@pd7tw3no... Was it heavier all the time (flaps up) or just when maneuvering with flaps+15/aileron+10 ? What is the attitude on final with full flaps? Blue skies to all "Teranews" wrote in message news:1110928754.003f917ce6e34bbe271b2bbe6e8f8f2a@t eranews... Yes, it did. After an afternoon of horsing it around, my left elbow was raw from the armrest. Made for good upper body strength though. Al "private" wrote in message news:6HIZd.689751$8l.10062@pd7tw1no... I had suspected that a Rstol kit was available for the 206. Did it make the control feel heavy in roll when maneuvering aggressively? Blue skies to all. "Teranews" wrote in message news:1110905672.beb14466ee7812b1cb84a18618da6a10@t eranews... Correct. I flew a turbo 206 with the Robertson kit. It would droop the ailerons 10 degrees with the first 15 degrees of flap. We regularly operated in and out of a 500 foot strip in Southern Oregon for 14 years. Al snip |
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Bob Moore wrote:
(Roy Smith) wrote Doesn't the DC-9 work this way too? I have a vague recollection of talking to a DC-9 pilot who explained the system to me -- mechanical interconnections to servo tabs, with the main surfaces floating free. Don't know about the DC-9, but the B-707 worked that way. Bob Moore PanAm(retired) Really?, I'd have thought that the 707 (and maybe DC-9 too) would have had powered controls?... -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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Gord Beaman wrote
Really?, I'd have thought that the 707 (and maybe DC-9 too) would have had powered controls?... Rudder...yes, Ailerons and Elevator...no. In fact, the two elevators were not connected to each other. It was not unusual to see a taxing 707 with one elevator up and the other one down. Each positioned by a control tab, the left one by the left yoke and the right one by the right yoke. The two yokes were connected under the cockpit by a coupler that would slip if forced. Airflow would cause the tabs to "fly" the elevators to the commanded position. The ailerons operated in a somewhat similiar fashion. Bob Moore ATP B-707 B-727 PanAm (retired) |
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M wrote:
I've seen 747 using both the ailerons and outboard spoilers for roll control. However I've never seen the aileron-as-flap thing until I saw it on the A-330. And I'm quite certain that B-737, 747, 757 and 767 don't do that. Nor do I think A-320 families do that either. I've been on a A-340 once but I didn't pay attention to the control services, it probably does it just like A-330. Never rode on a B777. I think the 767 has the aileron-as-flap thing. BTW: How's Q? Hilton |
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On 14 Mar 2005 12:28:39 -0800, "M" wrote:
I was sitting on a Northwest Airbus A-330 a few Sunday's ago at Tokyo Narita airport waiting for everybody to board on the flight back to Seattle, when I noticed something strange with the ailerons. Both ailerons were at their full downward deflection at about 30 degrees. Things like this can of course never happen in any light GA planes where the ailerons are mechanically linked to move in opposite directions. Things like this can happen to ordinary GA light planes and in fact has been around at least since WWII. Google Fieseler Fi 156 Storch. Corky Scott |
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