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First TSA, now NASCAR
I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it
appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington (AWO). From the maps (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett, making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept). Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose the same weekend. OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the TERPSters are done with it? Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their favorite non-towered airport? -- David Brooks |
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"David Brooks" wrote in message
... I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington (AWO). From the maps (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett, making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept). Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose the same weekend. OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the TERPSters are done with it? Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their favorite non-towered airport? -- David Brooks David, I don't fly at an airport affected by a track, but from my travels, two un-controlled fields come to mind: Tara Field next to the Atlanta Motor Speedway and Talledega Muni next door to the Talledega Motor Speedway. Other places where there is an airport near a track are Daytona, Charlotte and Texas but these are Class C and Ds. It is unfortunate for pilots that a race weekend TFR would put a crimp in local ops, but there is still money to be made off the planes and helos the drivers / owners / teams / VIPs fly. Ramp Fees + Lots of Jet A = Revenue. If I ran the airport, I'd find ways to encourage these aircraft to use my facility. If I ran a helo charter company, I'd be on my knees thanking whatever is held holy. People of means do not drive to the track, they go by helo. The skies over Fontana, California on race day look like a warzone LZ...same with the race at Sonoma, CA. Heck, if the airport is big enough, Roush Racing alone travels on two 727s and The Cat In the Hat just might fly his P51 in, too. NASCAR and Aviation are not unfamiliar with each other. Yes, NASCAR is a 400lb Gorilla, but even Gorillas need somewhere to eat and sleep. Race weekends generate huge, HUGE amounts of money for local economies. Our TV crews alone numbers over 150 people. Now add another 100 or more for each of the 43 teams (including guests of each team), the NASCAR staff themselves (maybe another 200 (probably more), other media, and then there are the 100,000 to 250,000 people (depending on what size and type of track gets built) who come to the race. Probably a third of the above will be in town from Monday to Monday. That's a lot of hotel rooms, dinners out, charcoal for grills and beer. Did I mention HUGE amounts of money being spent? Now, you may not be a NASCAR fan, but the $$$s in question are a giant carrot on a stick to politicians. Traditional tracks are being dropped in favor of markets where this carrot can be of maximum effect. Texas has been granted a second race as has Phoenix and Fontana, CA. They are even looking at trying to put a track on Staten Island in NYC. (A thought, by the way, that gets a giant OH NO!!! from me...see my sig.) As far as "other" events go, don't you have to have 30,000+ people to draw a TFR?I'd be very suprised if anything but a full-blown Nextel Cup race weekend would draw the necessary 30,000+ people. Just my $0.02 Jay Beckman Student Pilot Video Technican - NASCAR on FOX/NBC Chandler AZ (Dreading the 3 day TFR for the 3rd Prez Debate at ASU) |
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52F (Northwest Regional) is just inside the 3 mile TFR ring of Texas Motor
Speedway. As long as you call ahead of time, depart the pattern, and upon return, obviously head directly for the airport (staying outside the TFR until the last minute), it's OK. 3-4 major events per year. (was 1 NASCAR, next year will be 2, plus 2 IRL races, and of course each one has the Busch or Craftsman Trucks the day before). "David Brooks" wrote in message ... I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington (AWO). From the maps (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett, making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept). Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose the same weekend. OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the TERPSters are done with it? Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their favorite non-towered airport? -- David Brooks |
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I've got a friend based at Old Bridge in NJ. Same piece of property as an
NHRA drag strip. There is a major national event there once a year. He won't go near the airport when the race is going on. Too crowded. NHRA doesn't rate TFRs , but I suspect the same thing will happen in Marysville. Too many pilots unfamiliar with the airport, parking in front of hangars, etc. "David Brooks" wrote in message ... I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington (AWO). From the maps (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett, making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept). Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose the same weekend. OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the TERPSters are done with it? Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their favorite non-towered airport? -- David Brooks |
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Steve Foley wrote: I've got a friend based at Old Bridge in NJ. Same piece of property as an NHRA drag strip. There is a major national event there once a year. He won't go near the airport when the race is going on. Too crowded. Old Bridge has a perimeter fence. Aircraft owners are given keys to the gate. Most days, owners park in the lot outside the fence and it's frowned upon to park inside. On race days, everybody parks inside. Getting there is an exercise if you don't know the back roads, however. I suspect he's used to coming in the front way right by the track entrance. He needs to learn the back way in. George Patterson If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have been looking for it. |
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"David Brooks" writes:
I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington (AWO). From the maps (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett, making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept). Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose the same weekend. OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the TERPSters are done with it? Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their favorite non-towered airport? Hm... Brackett (KPOC) tower closes at 2100 local, and it's across the street from the Pomona Speed Raceway (plenty of NHRA activity, for instance). On final for runways 26 R/L you are a few hundred feet above the raceway. Also, on departure, you fly over Puddingstone Lake, where they have dragboat races often. -jav |
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I don't know about other sites, but Talledega puts up a temporary tower
on race day, so I am guessing a temporary Class D airspace goes along with it. Traffic at Talledega completely fills the airport. It reminds me of a mini-Oshkosh event. Controllers at the approach end of the runway pushing VFR departures out between the IFR departures being released by Atlanta Center. It is fun to fly into the race, park the airplane and walk across the airport to the track. If you hustle at the end of the race you can get out before the lines form. It took me three-hours from the time the race ended until I was wheels up. That included pushing the plane from where I parked to the parallel taxiway (half-mile?) at the departure end of the runway (5000 feet). David Brooks wrote: I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington (AWO). From the maps (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett, making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept). Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose the same weekend. OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the TERPSters are done with it? Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their favorite non-towered airport? -- David Brooks |
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"john smith" wrote in message ... I don't know about other sites, but Talledega puts up a temporary tower on race day, so I am guessing a temporary Class D airspace goes along with it. Probably not. Controlled airspace just isn't established for these short-term events. Fond du Lac gets a temporary tower each year during the EAA convention, but there are no airspace changes. Sheboygan got a temporary tower for the PGA tournament but there were no airspace changes. |
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One more reason to hate NASCAR (as if another reason was required...)
I never did understand the attraction of driving (much less WATCHING) cars around an oval. Oh well. Maybe I need a lobotomy. "Rubbin's racin'" - or something like that. (from my favorite-est scientologist midget and ex-wife movie, "Days of Thunder") I can't believe Duvall did that movie. "David Brooks" wrote in message ... I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington (AWO). From the maps (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett, making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept). Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose the same weekend. OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the TERPSters are done with it? Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their favorite non-towered airport? -- David Brooks |
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I don't fly at an airport affected by a track, but from my travels, two
un-controlled fields come to mind: Tara Field next to the Atlanta Motor Speedway and Talledega Muni next door to the Talledega Motor Speedway. Yeah, the speedway is literally right next to the runway at Tara (4A7)-- you fly over it in the pattern for 24 (even if you fly them really tight like I do). Never flown in there on race day, but from what I heard from my instructor, they open up a temporary tower and route the traffic to the other side of the runway (ie right pattern for 24). Also, you're supposed to reroute your pattern if there's anything semi-significant going on (qualifying, smaller races, etc). In the days just before/after, the field is filled with jets and even a few helos, and sometimes there's a blimp tied up over in the field. However, the majority of the time, it's a very nice field to go to. We get our gas at the self-serve pumps there all the time; they have the cheapest gas in the Atlanta area ($2.50/gal last time I was there). |
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