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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... On 15 Apr 2007 11:41:55 -0700, "Gordon" wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. It's remarkably easy to mistake a Scooter for a MiG-21 from some aspects. Been there, done that. Didn't shoot! Was that an electric or a gas scooter? |
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The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion
to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in flight. OPEN THIS FILE AT HOME, NOT AT WORK!!! MIKE from Secrecy News www.fas.org VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION (FOUO) More than 160 U.S. and foreign military aircraft are catalogued in a U.S. Army manual which describes their distinctive physical characteristics in order to permit visual identification of the aircraft in flight. The manual is nominally a restricted document, marked "for official use only," and it has not been approved for public release. But a copy was obtained by Secrecy News. Proper identification of aircraft is obviously a matter of military significance. Incorrectly identifying a friendly aircraft (such as an F-15 Eagle) as an enemy aircraft (such as a MiG-29 Fulcrum) in wartime "could cause fratricide," meaning the destruction of friendly aircraft, the manual states. Conversely, incorrectly identifying an enemy aircraft (a Su-24 Fencer) as a friendly one (such as a Tornado) "might allow a hostile aircraft entry into, or safe passage through, the defended area." On the other hand, mistaking one type of hostile aircraft (a Su-17 Fitter) for another type of hostile aircraft (a MiG-21 Fishbed) would generally have "no impact" -- except "if friendly countries were flying some aircraft types that are normally considered hostile." Likewise, mistaking one type of friendly aircraft (an F-4 Phantom) for another (an A-4 Skyhawk) would normally not be a great problem unless "a hostile country was using an aircraft type that is normally considered friendly." The manual covers both well- known and relatively obscure systems, but does not include classified aircraft. Although an earlier edition of the manual was published without access restrictions, the current edition (2006) was not approved for public release. But as the government imposes publication restrictions on an ever larger set of records, the control system seems to be breaking down at the margins, permitting unauthorized access with increasing frequency. In this case, contrary to the restriction notice on the title page, the document does not reveal sensitive "technical or operational information." See "Visual Aircraft Recognition," U.S. Army Field Manual FM 3-01.80, January 2006 (413 pages in a very large 28 MB PDF file): http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-01-80.pdf |
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Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18-
wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. |
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On 15 Apr 2007 11:41:55 -0700, "Gordon"
wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. It's remarkably easy to mistake a Scooter for a MiG-21 from some aspects. Been there, done that. Didn't shoot! Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com |
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Mike wrote:
The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in flight. Nah, the F-4 is the one trailing copious amounts of smoke. Cheers, |
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Mike wrote:
The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in flight. OPEN THIS FILE AT HOME, NOT AT WORK!!! MIKE from Secrecy News www.fas.org VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION (FOUO) More than 160 U.S. and foreign military aircraft are catalogued in a U.S. Army manual which describes their distinctive physical characteristics in order to permit visual identification of the aircraft in flight. The manual is nominally a restricted document, marked "for official use only," and it has not been approved for public release. But a copy was obtained by Secrecy News. Proper identification of aircraft is obviously a matter of military significance. Incorrectly identifying a friendly aircraft (such as an F-15 Eagle) as an enemy aircraft (such as a MiG-29 Fulcrum) in wartime "could cause fratricide," meaning the destruction of friendly aircraft, the manual states. Conversely, incorrectly identifying an enemy aircraft (a Su-24 Fencer) as a friendly one (such as a Tornado) "might allow a hostile aircraft entry into, or safe passage through, the defended area." On the other hand, mistaking one type of hostile aircraft (a Su-17 Fitter) for another type of hostile aircraft (a MiG-21 Fishbed) would generally have "no impact" -- except "if friendly countries were flying some aircraft types that are normally considered hostile." Likewise, mistaking one type of friendly aircraft (an F-4 Phantom) for another (an A-4 Skyhawk) would normally not be a great problem unless "a hostile country was using an aircraft type that is normally considered friendly." The manual covers both well- known and relatively obscure systems, but does not include classified aircraft. Although an earlier edition of the manual was published without access restrictions, the current edition (2006) was not approved for public release. But as the government imposes publication restrictions on an ever larger set of records, the control system seems to be breaking down at the margins, permitting unauthorized access with increasing frequency. In this case, contrary to the restriction notice on the title page, the document does not reveal sensitive "technical or operational information." See "Visual Aircraft Recognition," U.S. Army Field Manual FM 3-01.80, January 2006 (413 pages in a very large 28 MB PDF file): http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-01-80.pdf People who think they look alike need to go to Pearl Vision worse than I do............. |
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On Apr 15, 12:14 pm, Bill Shatzer wrote:
Mike wrote: The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in flight. Nah, the F-4 is the one trailing copious amounts of smoke. But the MiG 21 is the one on fire. |
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Mike wrote: The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in flight. The two that would have been very difficult to identify properly would have been the MiG-21 and Su-9; they looked almost identical. Pat |
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Gordon wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. Watch the movie "Ice Station Zebra" sometime- the MiG-21s magically transform into F-4s as they overfly the ice station. Pat |
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On Apr 15, 6:15 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Gordon wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. Watch the movie "Ice Station Zebra" sometime- the MiG-21s magically transform into F-4s as they overfly the ice station. I can do better than that. ) I have the 3' long MiG 21 model from the movie on a shelf over my desk. They only used one, set up among mirrors to make it appear to be a small formation of jets. Watch them bank in the movie - that formation is almost "magically" tight... The guy that made the movel originally is still breathing - we are going to get him to replace the canopy which has deformed over the years. Neat model, lots of detail, however most of it is painted on. v/r Gordon |
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