A Laser Phalanx?

La N wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
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wrote:
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Since the lasers used today assume you know
something about digital computers and Turing machines,
rather than military morons.
Translation please?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan ... Dan .... Dan .... you're still out of the loop! Always the one who
arrives late to the dance!

zzbunker is a *bot*, not a very well tuned bot, but a bot nonetheless.

I wish, btw, its programmer would fix its spellchecker.

- nilita


Ach so.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Sep 15, 6:17?am, Vince wrote:
wrote:
Lasers weren't developed with any particular purpose in mind, let
alone a military one, but the people who developed them mainly saw a
use for them in experimental physics for use in spectroscopy and
interferometry.

Cheers,
Ralph- Hide quoted text -

Yes they were. Siemens and I.G.Farben worked on medical lasers and
beam weaponry during World War II, for those specific purposes.

source on lasers in germany in WWII?

Vince

Interrogation Report of Karl Schnettler 6824 DTC (MIS)M.1075 dated 13
Mar 45 discussing activities at I.G. Farben, Ludwigschafen and Kaiser
Wilhelm Institute.

All documentation taken from US Government microfilm under FOIA

Section C:

Experiments

PW could add little to the information in Report 2/32.

Experiment with Rats

In the experiment of Apr 44 (See Report 2/32), PW stated that, when
the rats were bombarded by the rays, a phosphorescent glow was
observed over their bodies, lasting about a fifth of a second. PW
believed that the rats were reduced to a gaseous sodium (?) which had
been drawn into the vacuum system of the test stand.

6824 DTC (MIS)M.1075 Appendix "A"

ATOM-SMASHING LABORATORY

I.G. FARBEN/Ludwigschafen

(diagram displayed)

LEGEND

1. Recess for Electronic Tubes
2. Quartz shield
3. Focusing Area
4. Power Contact
5. POLYDRON (Y)
6. Power Cable
7. Target Stand
8. Observation and Control Station
9. Power station
10. Switch Station
11. Transformer Station

This aligns with microfilm evidence of laser testing at I.G. Farben
prersented by German researcher Fredrich Georg in his books.

Engineers that participated in these experiments mentioned in Allied
reports were Dipl-Ing Meissner, Ike, and also statements by their
advisor Eringer.

Meissner also worked on the German Magnetic Wave device
(Motorstoppmittel). Project 1217, "Investigation Into German Possible
Use Of Rays To Neutralize Allied Aircraft Motors". This weapon was
constructed by the ELEMAG Construction Company, Hildesheim, 24 Jan 44

Further testimony comes from U-boat 977 Capt. Heinz Schaeffer of a
beam weapon demonstration in Berlin just before he departed and ended-
up surrendering at Mar del Plata in Argentina

- all information from Henry Stevens "Hitler's Suppressed and Still-
Secret Weapons, Science, and Technology" (2007) filled with
declassified information

ZXY

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In the experiment of Apr 44 (See Report 2/32), PW stated that, when
the rats were bombarded by the rays, a phosphorescent glow was
observed over their bodies, lasting about a fifth of a second. PW
believed that the rats were reduced to a gaseous sodium (?) which had
been drawn into the vacuum system of the test stand.

Mad as a badger.

- all information from Henry Stevens "Hitler's Suppressed and Still-
Secret Weapons, Science, and Technology" (2007) filled with
declassified information

Also the author of the astounding 'Hitler's Flying Saucers'.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Sep 15, 1:29 pm, wrote:
Lasers weren't developed with any particular purpose in mind, let
alone a military one, but the people who developed them mainly saw a
use for them in experimental physics for use in spectroscopy and
interferometry.

Cheers,
Ralph- Hide quoted text -

Yes they were. Siemens and I.G.Farben worked on medical lasers and
beam weaponry during World War II, for those specific purposes.



The Germans also investigated X-ray and Gamma ray weapons under Dr.
Scheibold for use against bomber aircraft but could only attain a
height of 15,000 ft with one test gun. It featured a large surface
anode. A dose of 7 rads per second at a distance of 5 km with a time
on target of 30 seconds, which was achievable with this weapon, was
considered adequate to inflict irreversible biological harm to the
crew of the aircraft. Due to time on target problems and a "scattering
effect" on the aircraft metal skin, the weapon was not adopted for
production.

~ Henry Stevens, "Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons,
Science, and Technololgy.

Restricted Report dated July 19,1944:

"Concerning the possibility of biological effects of short wave x-
rays, respectively, gamma rays from x-ray tubes of special
construction at great distance" (translated from German to English
postwar). It was addressed to the research effort of the Reich
Ministry of Aeronautics, directed to Dr. Georgil at Research
Installation Gross Ostheim.

Three prototype guns were built but only one worked properly.

Yet talk of Star Wars SDI X-Ray weapons during the Reagan
Administration and other beam developments today are not "new" at all.
The miracle modern weapons from the 1980s to the 2010 timeframe are
only classified German types that have come to maturity with advances
in materials and military design over 60 years

ZXY.

My word, this thread really does draw out the nutters, doesn't it? Is
that you, Robert Arndt under a new name?
Alright, even supposing that all of what you write is true (and that
is a big if) the people who developed lasers in the US, and who are
recognised as the inventors of the things didn't have military
applications in mind.

Cheers,
Ralph

On Sep 15, 11:16?am, "William Black"
wrote:
wrote in message

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In the experiment of Apr 44 (See Report 2/32), PW stated that, when
the rats were bombarded by the rays, a phosphorescent glow was
observed over their bodies, lasting about a fifth of a second. PW
believed that the rats were reduced to a gaseous sodium (?) which had
been drawn into the vacuum system of the test stand.

Mad as a badger.

- all information from Henry Stevens "Hitler's Suppressed and Still-
Secret Weapons, Science, and Technology" (2007) filled with
declassified information

Also the author of the astounding 'Hitler's Flying Saucers'.

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

So you do not accept US Government declassified intel documents even
when they are presented to you?

As for PW's statements on the rats, the (?) refers to a total lack of
understanding of how such a weapon could function and what the
disintegration result was. This was 1945 and neither the PW nor the
interrogators knew the technologies involved with any of these type
weapons.

Imagine yourself seeing an alien beam weapon in action and then
interrogated. How would your testimony differ from PW and what
conclusions would interrogators come to?

Also, ELEMAG's documents on construction of Magnetic Wave weapon are
all reproduced in the book along with as many declassified documents
as Stevens could get under FOIA using US terminology of German weapons
which had eluded researchers who tried in vain for six decades to use
the correct German terminology. Now that the US Govt. trick for hiding
these weapons is known, many new types of German weapons have
surfaced.

For aviation content, the enigmatic Zippermayer Pfeil arrow-wing
aircraft is finally depicted in that book along with its status in May
1945 at Lofer (hidden in the Hagen carpenter shop, 3/4s completed). It
was secretly taken back to the US and completed. Dropped from a B-29
with US markings, its potential supersonic wing was evaluated in 1947
after wind tunnel testing. There are also depictions of US Army troops
testing out Zippermayer's model catapults for the aircraft in 1945.
This was a wooden glider with a two-man cockpit that placed an arrow-
wing directly behind and above the fuselage the whole way back to the
tail. The improved wooden test version would have had a Porsche
109-005 jet engine of 1,300 lb thrust while the production metal
version would have had another Porsche turbojet of approx. 2,500 lb
st.

All very fascinating, but disposition of the aircraft after testing is
not known (rest of US files suspiciously missing).

ZXY

On Sep 15, 11:23?am, Ralph_S wrote:
On Sep 15, 1:29 pm, wrote:





Lasers weren't developed with any particular purpose in mind, let
alone a military one, but the people who developed them mainly saw a
use for them in experimental physics for use in spectroscopy and
interferometry.

Cheers,
Ralph- Hide quoted text -

Yes they were. Siemens and I.G.Farben worked on medical lasers and
beam weaponry during World War II, for those specific purposes.

The Germans also investigated X-ray and Gamma ray weapons under Dr.
Scheibold for use against bomber aircraft but could only attain a
height of 15,000 ft with one test gun. It featured a large surface
anode. A dose of 7 rads per second at a distance of 5 km with a time
on target of 30 seconds, which was achievable with this weapon, was
considered adequate to inflict irreversible biological harm to the
crew of the aircraft. Due to time on target problems and a "scattering
effect" on the aircraft metal skin, the weapon was not adopted for
production.

~ Henry Stevens, "Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons,
Science, and Technololgy.

Restricted Report dated July 19,1944:

"Concerning the possibility of biological effects of short wave x-
rays, respectively, gamma rays from x-ray tubes of special
construction at great distance" (translated from German to English
postwar). It was addressed to the research effort of the Reich
Ministry of Aeronautics, directed to Dr. Georgil at Research
Installation Gross Ostheim.

Three prototype guns were built but only one worked properly.

Yet talk of Star Wars SDI X-Ray weapons during the Reagan
Administration and other beam developments today are not "new" at all.
The miracle modern weapons from the 1980s to the 2010 timeframe are
only classified German types that have come to maturity with advances
in materials and military design over 60 years

ZXY.

My word, this thread really does draw out the nutters, doesn't it? Is
that you, Robert Arndt under a new name?
Alright, even supposing that all of what you write is true (and that
is a big if) the people who developed lasers in the US, and who are
recognised as the inventors of the things didn't have military
applications in mind.

Cheers,
Ralph- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Certainly no one disputes you there. Germans did not invent L.A.S.E.R.
but used the word "Strahl" instead during the war for directed energy
types.

ZXY

On Sep 15, 12:27 pm, Dan wrote:
La N wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
...
wrote:
snip
Since the lasers used today assume you know
something about digital computers and Turing machines,
rather than military morons.
Translation please?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan ... Dan .... Dan .... you're still out of the loop! Always the one who
arrives late to the dance!

zzbunker is a *bot*, not a very well tuned bot, but a bot nonetheless.

I wish, btw, its programmer would fix its spellchecker.

- nilita

Ach so.




Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

Well, it's obvious the reason you're retired
is because the only people who use spell checkers
are The Air Force, and NASA.
Since as is well known, most of them
are global warming El Nino idiots,
rather than cruise missile types.





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On Sep 15, 11:16?am, "William Black"

So you do not accept US Government declassified intel documents even
when they are presented to you?

Oh yes.

Point me to a URL.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Sep 15, 1:49?pm, "William Black"
wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...

On Sep 15, 11:16?am, "William Black"
So you do not accept US Government declassified intel documents even
when they are presented to you?

Oh yes.

Point me to a URL.

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Are you stupid or something? I gave you the entire report number. Go
through FOIA procedures like Stevens did or buy his book with the
intel copies from the microfilm printed in the book.

ZXY

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On Sep 15, 1:49?pm, "William Black"
wrote:
wrote in message

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On Sep 15, 11:16?am, "William Black"
So you do not accept US Government declassified intel documents even
when they are presented to you?

Oh yes.

Point me to a URL.



Are you stupid or something?

So that's a 'no' then...

Look, have you any idea just how significant and important all this stuff
is?

Nobel prizes were dished out and vast sums of money spent on the fundamental
research that you and your mate claim was all done in about ten minutes, by
some Nazis in tucked away in a back room somewhere, between designing the VI
and building a flying saucer.

Next loon please...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.