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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
On 2007-06-10 12:05:46 -0400, "Vaughn Simon"
said: "Bob Moore" wrote in message 46.128... Head and body should remain perpendicular to the floor of the cockpit. This comes naturally if the turn is coordinated. I usually avoid these threads but there is a safety issue here. I teach my students to LOOK WHERE THEY ARE GOING. Vaughn Actually, both you and Moore are correct really :-)) The body should remain straight and the head should not be "tilted" off the straight axis, but turning the head to look where you're going is absolutely correct. Turning the head while remaining straight up in the seat is not the same thing as bending the body off axis away from the turn which is I believe the main gist of the original poster's question. Dudley Henriques |
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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
Mxsmanic wrote: I note from in-cockpit videos of aerobatic pilots that they keep their heads level with the horizon, not level with the aircraft. I guess that explains why they decapitate themselves during a roll. |
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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: If the turn is coordinated, there is no "sideways" force to perceive as that is the definition of a cooridinated turn. False. The aircraft is being accelerated to one side. If you keep your head level with the horizon, you'll perceive the turn as a movement to one side. The only thing the human senses will perceive is an increase in apparent weight which will depend on the turn rate. Only if your head is level with the wings, instead of the horizon. What is the ball in a turn and bank indicator or a turn coordinator? It is a damped pendulum attached firmly to the aircraft panel and level with the wings. Where is the ball in coordinated flight? It is centered. What does that mean? That there is no lateral force with respect to a line perpendicular to the wings of the aircraft. What does Mxsmanic's answer mean? That the babbling, childish, idiot doesn't know high school physics, much less how airplanes fly and has the unmitigated audacity to try to tell real pilots how to fly. What is the orientation of Mxsmanic's head? Firmly planted up his ass. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: I have fairly recently started motorcycling and I was not taught anything about head movement however I have found that it seems to help my visual perception (depth perception?) if I keep my eyes horizontal (wrt the horizon:-). My natural action is to lean my head with the bike. In the training I received, it was made very clear that your head must remain level with the horizon. The reason? Because you'll suffer spatial disorientation if you move your head. The same should apply in an aircraft. Except it doesn't and your prattle about motorcyles doesn't make it so. snip crap -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
Those of us who have flown seem to know how to orient our bodies and
heads in the cockpit. Tryng to explain that to someone without that experience, but with an attidude, is difficult, isn't it? Hardly worth the effort. Wrong phrase. NOT worth the effort. As we seem to learn time after time when dealing with the OP. , On Jun 10, 6:25 pm, wrote: In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote: writes: I have fairly recently started motorcycling and I was not taught anything about head movement however I have found that it seems to help my visual perception (depth perception?) if I keep my eyes horizontal (wrt the horizon:-). My natural action is to lean my head with the bike. In the training I received, it was made very clear that your head must remain level with the horizon. The reason? Because you'll suffer spatial disorientation if you move your head. The same should apply in an aircraft. Except it doesn't and your prattle about motorcyles doesn't make it so. snip crap -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:06:02 -0600, RomeoMike
wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: I note from in-cockpit videos of aerobatic pilots that they keep their heads level with the horizon, not level with the aircraft. I guess that explains why they decapitate themselves during a roll. That's why they have rounded canopies. It makes it easier to find the head and snap it back on after the maneuver. |
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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
B A R R Y wrote: That's why they have rounded canopies. It makes it easier to find the head and snap it back on after the maneuver. Yep, but I think Sporty's now carries a swivel to connect head and neck because some of those maneuvers are more complex, and many a pilot has lost his head. |
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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
Perhaps pilots would be less prone to disorientation if they kept their heads normal to the horizon, even in turns (for instrument flight, this would mean keeping one's head level with the horizon of the attitude indicator). And then disorientation occurs.. because the mind cannot believe what the eyes see and what the body feels. I teach that the head is on a swivel.. keep the head and eyes moving.. ABCTs of flying.. Airspeed, Bank, Coordination, Traffic (look for traffic, into the turn and the other side too) This is primary for glider students, I've found that students who try to sit upright relative to earth and keep their "eyes on the level" have more turn coordination issues. They cannot "feel the slip/skid". In the words of the Jedi Master... "Use the Force Luke".. be one with the aircraft. BT |
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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:48:51 -0600, RomeoMike
wrote: Yep, but I think Sporty's now carries a swivel to connect head and neck because some of those maneuvers are more complex, and many a pilot has lost his head. I heard this kid's father flew aerobatics: http://www.planet-familyguy.com/pfg/images/characters/freak.jpg |
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