Diana-2 - master-piece or flop?

"Airjunkie" wrote

I'll bet if it said ASG-35 on the side
of the fuselage, you'd all be waiting 2-3 years to get one, and the
whining/wimpering would be internalized....
Bill Liscomb
Diana 2 N562BL Serial Number 5621002 130hrs t.t.


Nothing to add. Now everything is "confirmed"

Mat

On Jun 19, 4:31 am, "BlueCumulus" wrote:
Do you need a better reference?

Look up reference in a dictionary, then come back and give us one.

Quite apart from that though Bill is absolutely right. The older
German manufacturers are being left behind by other companies across
the board. It's not suprising nor unusual that people try and rubbish
threats to their favourite brands.


Dan

At 08:00 19 June 2007, Dan G wrote:

Quite apart from that though Bill is absolutely right.
The older
German manufacturers are being left behind by other
companies across
the board. It's not suprising nor unusual that people
try and rubbish
threats to their favourite brands.


Dan

Eh?? It is great to see excellent new designs and
manufacturers such as the Diana, Antares, HpH Shark
and Jonkers but to say that 'the older German manufacturers
are being left behind by other companies across the
board' is a bit OTT.

Open Class: Who is beating the ASW22 and Nimbus 4?
!8m class: The ASG 29 is being left behind?
Standard Class: Anything better than the Discus 2A?
15m Class: The Diana-2 is a fascinating project and
elements of it may have a big effect on the future
of glider construction. The light weight allows a
very high aspect ratio and high performance. However
(if you want to buy into a fading class) is it yet
a safe place to put your own money rather than in an
ASW 27/Ventus 2?

John Galloway

On Jun 19, 2:25 pm, John Galloway wrote:

Eh?? It is great to see excellent new designs and
manufacturers such as the Diana, Antares, HpH Shark
and Jonkers but to say that 'the older German manufacturers
are being left behind by other companies across the
board' is a bit OTT.

Open Class: Who is beating the ASW22 and Nimbus 4?

Eta and EB28

18m class: The ASG 29 is being left behind?

304S, Antares 18 and JS1

Standard Class: Anything better than the Discus 2A?

Nope, but there's so many LS8s knocking around now - which are 99% as
good unless you live in an area where very strong conditions are the
norm - I'd be suprised if many D2s are still being sold

15m Class: The Diana-2 is a fascinating project and
elements of it may have a big effect on the future
of glider construction. The light weight allows a
very high aspect ratio and high performance. However
(if you want to buy into a fading class) is it yet
a safe place to put your own money rather than in an
ASW 27/Ventus 2?

Add in 15m version of 304S too. Yes, I expect these newer designs
which draw upon the great advances in computing power in the last few
years to outperform old designs.


Dan

Add in 15m version of 304S too. Yes, I expect these newer designs
which draw upon the great advances in computing power in the last few
years to outperform old designs.

The HpH factory is not making the 304S in 15m. And no one has been
able to explain to me why the 18m version is flying with a more
favorable handicap than older designs.

2NO (who had high hopes for the 304S)

On 19 Jun, 14:25, John Galloway wrote:

Open Class: Who is beating the ASW22 and Nimbus 4?

It's intriguing that such old designs have survived so long. The
Nimbus 4 came out in 1990 and the ASW-22 in 1981. I wonder if it's
because the Open Class market is too small to justify much investment?
It would be interesting to speculate on what the big stuff would be
doing now if it had benefitted from the R&D which has gone into 15m
and 18m machines.

Ian

Maybe the answer will be the ASH30 Mi...

"Ian" wrote in message
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On 19 Jun, 14:25, John Galloway wrote:

Open Class: Who is beating the ASW22 and Nimbus 4?

It's intriguing that such old designs have survived so long. The
Nimbus 4 came out in 1990 and the ASW-22 in 1981. I wonder if it's
because the Open Class market is too small to justify much investment?
It would be interesting to speculate on what the big stuff would be
doing now if it had benefitted from the R&D which has gone into 15m
and 18m machines.

Ian

On Jun 18, 11:31 pm, "BlueCumulus" wrote:
Ingo Renner flew it and his statement was:
The plane unfortunately can not be flown to its full performance,
because it behaves so badly.
Do you need a better reference?

If the plane cannot be flown to its fullest potential and it WON the
15 meter WORLDS and then again it WON the Grand Prix in France, and
bunch of other things in between then it you can only imagine what its
fullest potential is.
And no I dont need to hear a "reference" from blind and dishonest
competition.

not completely true......The 18m is most in demand from all manufacturers
HpH has simply had no orders for 15M 304S.....the plan today is to offer the
304s as 18 and offer 20m optional wingtips
The proposed 304SE (15m version only) is still planned, but it will not be a
convertible glider...blood and guts 15M only
New brochure is on my website http://www.wingsandwheels.com/pdf/Specs_E.pdf
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com

"Tuno" wrote in message
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Add in 15m version of 304S too. Yes, I expect these newer designs
which draw upon the great advances in computing power in the last few
years to outperform old designs.

The HpH factory is not making the 304S in 15m. And no one has been
able to explain to me why the 18m version is flying with a more
favorable handicap than older designs.

2NO (who had high hopes for the 304S)

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:23:54 +0200, "Bert Willing"
wrote:

Maybe the answer will be the ASH30 Mi...

... or the Concordia with the official design L/D of 80.


Bye
Andreas