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Maiden flight of the Arcus
At 17:50 10 April 2009, Maciek wrote:
The wing is totally new, Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's flapped as kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least at the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same, multi-trapezoidal wing, as in DUO. the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus fuselage) However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is structurally somewhat different... And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a new trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it is going to stay there for much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give DUO the battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator...)? Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more detailed pictures, I will change my mind. Maciek for more details http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.p...&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=300&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=067f525889 or in German http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.p...&L=0&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=299&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=6fbda7cbde The Brochure http://www.schempp-hirth.com/fileadm...ro09-E_web.pdf and more photos http://www.planeur.net/index.php?opt...479&Item id=1 The wing certainly looks different to me. I have just compared it with several photos I have of DUOs. Gavin |
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On Apr 10, 11:30*am, Gavin Short wrote:
At 17:50 10 April 2009, Maciek wrote: The wing is totally new, Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's flapped as kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least at the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same, multi-trapezoidal wing, as in DUO. the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus fuselage) However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is structurally somewhat different... And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a new trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it *is going to stay there for much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give DUO the battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator...)? Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more detailed pictures, I will change my mind. Maciek for more details http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.p...&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=300&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=067f525889 or in German http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.p...&L=0&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=299&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=6fbda7cbde The Brochure http://www.schempp-hirth.com/fileadm...2009/Arcus-Aer... and more photos http://www.planeur.net/index.php?opt...k=view&id=479&... The wing certainly looks different to me. *I have just compared it with several photos I have of DUOs. Gavin I overlaid the marketing illustrations from Schempp-Hirth for the Duo Discus XL and Arcus, you can see them at http://www.darrylramm.com. Darryl |
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On Apr 10, 10:47*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Apr 10, 11:30*am, Gavin Short wrote: At 17:50 10 April 2009, Maciek wrote: The wing is totally new, Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's flapped as kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least at the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same, multi-trapezoidal wing, as in DUO. the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus fuselage) However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is structurally somewhat different... And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a new trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it *is going to stay there for much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give DUO the battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator...)? Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more detailed pictures, I will change my mind. Maciek for more details http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.p...&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=300&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=067f525889 or in German http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.p...&L=0&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=299&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=6fbda7cbde The Brochure http://www.schempp-hirth.com/fileadm...2009/Arcus-Aer... and more photos http://www.planeur.net/index.php?opt...k=view&id=479&... The wing certainly looks different to me. *I have just compared it with several photos I have of DUOs. Gavin I overlaid the marketing illustrations from Schempp-Hirth for the Duo Discus XL and Arcus, you can see them athttp://www.darrylramm.com. Darryl Nicely Done ! The wing is in fact very different, but the fuselage is Duo XL with minor mods. There was a lot of interest in the electric Arcus at Aero. Let me know when you're ready to get an Antares 20E, for real rather than just in Silent Wings simulator ;-) See ya, Dave "YO electric" |
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On Apr 12, 12:33*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Apr 10, 10:47*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote: On Apr 10, 11:30*am, Gavin Short wrote: At 17:50 10 April 2009, Maciek wrote: The wing is totally new, Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's flapped as kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least at the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same, multi-trapezoidal wing, as in DUO. the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus fuselage) However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is structurally somewhat different... And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a new trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it *is going to stay there for much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give DUO the battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator...)? Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more detailed pictures, I will change my mind. Maciek for more details http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.p...&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=300&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=067f525889 or in German http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.p...&L=0&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=299&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=6fbda7cbde The Brochure http://www.schempp-hirth.com/fileadm...2009/Arcus-Aer.... and more photos http://www.planeur.net/index.php?opt...k=view&id=479&... The wing certainly looks different to me. *I have just compared it with several photos I have of DUOs. Gavin I overlaid the marketing illustrations from Schempp-Hirth for the Duo Discus XL and Arcus, you can see them athttp://www.darrylramm.com. Darryl Nicely Done ! *The wing is in fact very different, but the fuselage is Duo XL with minor mods. There was a lot of interest in the electric Arcus at Aero. Let me know when you're ready to get an Antares 20E, for real rather than just in Silent Wings simulator ;-) See ya, Dave "YO electric" Dave Actually I *touched* a real Antares 20E on the weekend (then carefully wiped my fingerprints off with a virgin microfibre towel spritzed with pH neutral distilled water, only rubbing gently in one direction, no circular motion, ...). Very impressive engineering and construction quality everywhere I looked. I keep offering to test fly it for Larry... Darryl |
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Wonder if Schleicher will ever be motivated to produce a 20m two seater?
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I overlaid the marketing illustrations from Schempp-Hirth for the Duo Discus XL and Arcus, you can see them at http://www.darrylramm.com. Nice job! Now they really look different on theese pictures. Quite interresting shape, by the way. Maciek K. |
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On 13 Apr 2009 08:15:03 GMT, Nick Olson
wrote: Wonder if Schleicher will ever be motivated to produce a 20m two seater? Shall we bet that they are earning lots of real good money with ASK-21's? |
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On Apr 13, 4:14*pm, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On 13 Apr 2009 08:15:03 GMT, Nick Olson wrote: Wonder if Schleicher will ever be motivated to produce a 20m two seater? Shall we bet that they are earning lots of real good money with ASK-21's? And I'll bet they are losing a lot of good money from people who do initial training in an ASK-21 then end up in a Duo Discus or DG-1000S and then maybe find their way back to a Schleicher single seater. If I was Schleicher I'd be wanting to not give students/new pilots such a chance to sample competing vendors products. But they can only do so much and the ASH-25, ASH-26E, ASW-27, ASG-29, were not exactly failures in the market. Darryl |
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On Apr 14, 11:14*am, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On 13 Apr 2009 08:15:03 GMT, Nick Olson wrote: Wonder if Schleicher will ever be motivated to produce a 20m two seater? Shall we bet that they are earning lots of real good money with ASK-21's? Are they still? Our club wanted to replace our pair of aging Grob Twin Astir's (the original, retractable one) several years ago. We looked at the ASK-21 but the DG1000 Club was near enough to the same price and also like the ASK-21 unlimited aerobatics and suitable for basic training, but with 20 years newer technology, low 40's L/D rather than mid 30's (upgradable to 20m and mid-40's L/D if we ever wish to). And, unlike the ASK-21, they spin like real gliders. We've had two season's of students now do their first solos in the DG1000's. I believe everyone is very happy and they are everything we hoped for. |
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Maiden flight of the Arcus
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:44:20 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Hoult
wrote: Are they still? Yes. Typically "exotic" gliders tend to be sold in significant numbers outside Germany - but there are very, very few clubs in Europe who are replacing their aging ASK-13s with something different than an ASK-21. And, unlike the ASK-21, they spin like real gliders. .... which still is, inmy opinion, something that makes it unsuitable as a first solo gider. We've had two season's of students now do their first solos in the DG1000's. I believe everyone is very happy and they are everything we hoped for. Great! |
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