TCAD Installations in Gliders?

Just curious - anyone ever heard of a US glider with a TCAD (such as Ryan's
8800 Gold) installed? Love to get a "user's report" if so . . .

Jim Kellett, Resident Curmudgeon
Chief Flight Instructor, Skyline Soaring Club
Captain and CFI(G), Civil Air Patrol
Chairman, Classic Division, Vintage Sailplane Association
Webmaster, Open Cirrus Website
"If Flying Were the Language of Man, Soaring Would be its Poetry"

I have not seen one.. but I would think the battery drain would be
tremendous.. it's hard enough getting them into light twin engine aircraft..

News bulletin: Glider pilot installs mega$$ TCAS system, into $8000 SGS
1-26..

BT

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Just curious - anyone ever heard of a US glider with a TCAD (such as
Ryan's
8800 Gold) installed? Love to get a "user's report" if so . . .

Jim Kellett, Resident Curmudgeon
Chief Flight Instructor, Skyline Soaring Club
Captain and CFI(G), Civil Air Patrol
Chairman, Classic Division, Vintage Sailplane Association
Webmaster, Open Cirrus Website
"If Flying Were the Language of Man, Soaring Would be its Poetry"

The most recent AARP magazine had an article about Curmudgeons. Very
interesting reading. The gist is that a Curmudgeon truly worth the name
would have none of that "high tech" foolishness! In truth, it would sure be
nice to haver, if and when a practical one is available!

--
Hartley Falbaum


"Jim Kellett" wrote in message
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Just curious - anyone ever heard of a US glider with a TCAD (such as
Ryan's
8800 Gold) installed? Love to get a "user's report" if so . . .

Jim Kellett, Resident Curmudgeon
Chief Flight Instructor, Skyline Soaring Club
Captain and CFI(G), Civil Air Patrol
Chairman, Classic Division, Vintage Sailplane Association
Webmaster, Open Cirrus Website
"If Flying Were the Language of Man, Soaring Would be its Poetry"

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Just curious - anyone ever heard of a US glider with a TCAD (such as Ryan's
8800 Gold) installed? Love to get a "user's report" if so . . .

Jim Kellett, Resident Curmudgeon
Chief Flight Instructor, Skyline Soaring Club
Captain and CFI(G), Civil Air Patrol
Chairman, Classic Division, Vintage Sailplane Association
Webmaster, Open Cirrus Website
"If Flying Were the Language of Man, Soaring Would be its Poetry"

Heard on an un-named center freq:
CTR: "Lear 123, traffic 1 o'clock 3mi, opposite direction, a Piper".
Lear123: "yeah center, we got him on the discovery channel"
CTR: "Piper 456 do you have the lear"?
Piper 456: "Naw, we don't get the discovery channel".
CTR: "Piper 456, contact your local cable provider".

-Dan

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I have not seen one.. but I would think the battery drain would be
tremendous.. it's hard enough getting them into light twin engine
aircraft..

Not TCAS, TCAD. Like TPAS, it's passive, so there's no big power drain for
a transmitter . . some of the low end TPAS units run on AA cells,
independent of the airplane's power supply . . .
(These units depend on the target's transponder responding to some OTHER
radar interrogation . . ) That's what made me think SOMEONE om a g;oder out
there might be trying one of the TCAD units, which apparently has a little
better logic circuit in it that TPAS. . . .

Jim K

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Not TCAS, TCAD. Like TPAS, it's passive, so there's no big power drain for
a transmitter . . some of the low end TPAS units run on AA cells,
independent of the airplane's power supply . . .
(These units depend on the target's transponder responding to some OTHER
radar interrogation . . ) That's what made me think SOMEONE om a g;oder out
there might be trying one of the TCAD units, which apparently has a little
better logic circuit in it that TPAS. . . .

Are you talking about the Ryan TCAD system? It's quite large, power
hungry (1.2 amps), and expensive ($10,000) for a glider, I think. See

http://www.ryan-tcad.com/products/traffic_9900B.html

It's the only TCAD system I'm aware of.
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Eric Greenwell
Richland, WA (USA)

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
http://www.ryan-tcad.com/products/traffic_9900B.html

It's the only TCAD system I'm aware of.


Eric ('n all),

There's also "Skywatch", I think by BF Goodrich. Same problem though,
expensive and consumes too much power for a glider. What would be *really*
good is if they came out with a portable ADS-B for cheap! But since that
won't happen soon - or ever, the only game left I'm aware of is passive
transponder detectors . . . and these have gotten mixed reviews until just
recently. The following is cut from a post on the Mooney tech group:

"Just got my TrafficScope TPAS VRX from Surecheck last week and
had a chance to fly with it.
Absolutely a first-rate product!!! Much, much better/different
than the earlier TPAS RX-110 version.

http://www.surecheck.net . . ."

The problem with previous passive detectors is they were based on signal
strength only, no bearing or altitude info. That, and some users experienced
a lot of falses. The new version mentioned above still doesn't give bearing,
but it *does* give altitude of the target and since it decodes this info,
can eliminate much of the falsing, alerts from overhead airliners etc.

I have no connection with the above company and don't have one of these
things to play with - yet. At $1200 . . . figured I'd wait some until there
are more happy customers.
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Hello,
At 13.8v the ProXalert R5 device needs only ONE watt compared to
nearly 5 watts for the Trafficscope(c). It displays up to three
threats including squawk, altitude and distance. It also features a
built in altitude alerter.
It will be available mid November. See our Website
www.proxalert.com

Have safe flight,

Regards,


"John Morgan" wrote in message ...
"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
http://www.ryan-tcad.com/products/traffic_9900B.html

It's the only TCAD system I'm aware of.


Eric ('n all),

There's also "Skywatch", I think by BF Goodrich. Same problem though,
expensive and consumes too much power for a glider. What would be *really*
good is if they came out with a portable ADS-B for cheap! But since that
won't happen soon - or ever, the only game left I'm aware of is passive
transponder detectors . . . and these have gotten mixed reviews until just
recently. The following is cut from a post on the Mooney tech group:

"Just got my TrafficScope TPAS VRX from Surecheck last week and
had a chance to fly with it.
Absolutely a first-rate product!!! Much, much better/different
than the earlier TPAS RX-110 version.

http://www.surecheck.net . . ."

The problem with previous passive detectors is they were based on signal
strength only, no bearing or altitude info. That, and some users experienced
a lot of falses. The new version mentioned above still doesn't give bearing,
but it *does* give altitude of the target and since it decodes this info,
can eliminate much of the falsing, alerts from overhead airliners etc.

I have no connection with the above company and don't have one of these
things to play with - yet. At $1200 . . . figured I'd wait some until there
are more happy customers.
--
bumper - ZZ
"Dare to be different . . . circle in sink."
to reply, the last half is right to left





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In article ,
says...
Hello,
At 13.8v the ProXalert R5 device needs only ONE watt compared to
nearly 5 watts for the Trafficscope(c). It displays up to three
threats including squawk, altitude and distance. It also features a
built in altitude alerter.
It will be available mid November. See our Website
www.proxalert.com

It's an interesting unit. The low power is ideal for gliders, but the
lack of a speaker is a problem. We don't use headsets most of the
time, so we'd need to add a speaker with an amplifier to the glider.
The price ($1500) is also quite high for most glider pilots.

A web site suggestion: this text blinks in a very annoying fashion
when I use Netscape 7.0 --

"World first affordable aircraft proximity alerter
displaying threat aircraft altitude, distance and squawk !"

I'd suggest removing the blink code from the html text. For some
reason, the blink code doesn't make it blink in IE 6. The menus also
seem to load very slowly in both browsers.


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Eric Greenwell
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:17:53 GMT, "John Morgan"
wrote:
What would be *really*
good is if they came out with a portable ADS-B for cheap! But since that
won't happen soon - or ever, the only game left I'm aware of is passive
transponder detectors . . .

ADS -B is currently being trialled just north of me around Bundaberg.
There are plans afoot in Australia to fit the entire fleet as our
radar sensors are due for retirement or replacement in 2008. It seems
that fitting the entire civil fleet with ADS-B for free or heavily
subsidised is cheaper than replacing the radar sensors.

We currently have in operation the placement of 20 ADS-B ground
stations so we get radar like coverage over the whole continent above
20000 feet. Radars require too much power and maintenance in remote
locations. Most of Aus is pretty empty, it isn't called GAFA for
nothing.

Mike Borgelt