Cherokee 6 manual/info?

In article 11gog.18090$Gh.8849@trnddc02,
Robet Coffey wrote:

The simultaneous door slam / stall recovery maneuver
requires extra training and possibly an endorsement in your logbook.

That should have been a footnote with asterisk.

The useful load on the -260 is greater than the -300.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.net...

We used to haul passengers in both the 260 and 300 for a small real
estate development outfit. The 300 is the right size plane with the
right size engine. Plenty of power to haul what you can get in it --
something the 260 often came up short on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Al ]
Posted At: Monday, June 26, 2006 16:47
Posted To: rec.aviation.owning
Conversation: Cherokee 6 manual/info?
Subject: Cherokee 6 manual/info?


"john smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Al" wrote:

It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on
Thurs.
Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or perhaps
some
of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a PA32-260
some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I pick
up
the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any
warnings
or
items I should watch out for?

What year?
I have manuals for a 1972 and a 1978. There are differences
depending on
aircraft serial number.
Does the one you will be flying have club seating or all forward
facing?
- Fuel management is the important thing. The outboards have 17 gal,
the
inboards/mains have 25. The tab on the inboards/mains may be at 15
gallons or 18 gallons, depending on the serial number. Know which
one
you have. You will need this information depending on the load you
will
be carrying. I think the -300 series with the straight wing has 84
gal
(17-25-25-17) usable, the -301 series with the taper wing has 96 gal
(48-48) usable.
- Find out how accurate the fuel flow gauge is. You fly off the
mains
first, then the outboards.
- The manual warns that it may take up to 12 seconds to get fuel
flowing
from a full tank to the engine if one tank is run dry. [It may give
you
a warning, listen for the engine surging! Ask me how I know! ;-) ]
- Cruise at 16-18 gph, depending on what the owner wants.
- Full throttle altitude will vary with OAT, between 6000-8000 feet
MSL.
- Know your speeds for the current weight you are flying. (Make a
table
using a spreadsheet or word processor.)
- Use 10-deg flaps for all takeoffs to reduce takeoff run.
- Fly the airplane using trim.
- I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you have a
power
chart handy. Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without harming
the
engine.

Thanks John.

No clue yet what year or config, I do know that the "Load" is 1 pax in
addition to me.

Al G.

"john smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Frank Ch. Eigler) wrote:

john smith writes:

[...] - I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you
have a power chart handy.

Likewise, but:

Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without harming the engine.

"at or below" what?

Sorry... 65% power

That's true for the -300, the -260 is carburated, LOP is not recommended.

Steve,
For that to be true then the increase from engine weight and
associated accessories is greater than the pounds/horsepower of the 260.
Also, the gross weight increase of the aircraft has to be less than the
increase weight from the engine and accessories. I'm struggling to see
how that's possible -- but then I can't find my manuals either. If
someone has the figures for the 260 and the 300 circa 1972, I'd
appreciate seeing the data posted here for the gross weight and typical
useful loads.

I realize that was 35 years ago, but I was pretty sure the 300
could carry more then the 260.


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve S ]
Posted At: Thursday, June 29, 2006 15:54
Posted To: rec.aviation.owning
Conversation: Cherokee 6 manual/info?
Subject: Cherokee 6 manual/info?

The useful load on the -260 is greater than the -300.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.net...

We used to haul passengers in both the 260 and 300 for a small real
estate development outfit. The 300 is the right size plane with the
right size engine. Plenty of power to haul what you can get in it --
something the 260 often came up short on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Al ]
Posted At: Monday, June 26, 2006 16:47
Posted To: rec.aviation.owning
Conversation: Cherokee 6 manual/info?
Subject: Cherokee 6 manual/info?


"john smith" wrote in message
news:jsmith-A2C33B.14391126062006@network-065-024-007-
027.columbus.rr.com...
In article ,
"Al" wrote:

It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on
Thurs.
Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or
perhaps
some
of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a
PA32-260
some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I
pick
up
the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any
warnings
or
items I should watch out for?

What year?
I have manuals for a 1972 and a 1978. There are differences
depending on
aircraft serial number.
Does the one you will be flying have club seating or all forward
facing?
- Fuel management is the important thing. The outboards have 17
gal,
the
inboards/mains have 25. The tab on the inboards/mains may be at
15
gallons or 18 gallons, depending on the serial number. Know which
one
you have. You will need this information depending on the load
you
will
be carrying. I think the -300 series with the straight wing has
84
gal
(17-25-25-17) usable, the -301 series with the taper wing has 96
gal
(48-48) usable.
- Find out how accurate the fuel flow gauge is. You fly off the
mains
first, then the outboards.
- The manual warns that it may take up to 12 seconds to get fuel
flowing
from a full tank to the engine if one tank is run dry. [It may
give
you
a warning, listen for the engine surging! Ask me how I know! ;-)
]
- Cruise at 16-18 gph, depending on what the owner wants.
- Full throttle altitude will vary with OAT, between 6000-8000
feet
MSL.
- Know your speeds for the current weight you are flying. (Make a
table
using a spreadsheet or word processor.)
- Use 10-deg flaps for all takeoffs to reduce takeoff run.
- Fly the airplane using trim.
- I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you have
a
power
chart handy. Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without
harming
the
engine.

Thanks John.

No clue yet what year or config, I do know that the "Load" is 1 pax
in
addition to me.

Al G.

In article ,
"Jim Carter" wrote:

If someone has the figures for the 260 and the 300 circa 1972, I'd
appreciate seeing the data posted here for the gross weight and typical
useful loads.

The 1972 PA32-300 that I flew had the following numbers:
Empty weight: 1810.0 lbs
Basic weight: 1926.4 lbs
Gross weight: 3400.0 lbs
Useful load: 1473.6 lbs

"john smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jim Carter" wrote:

If someone has the figures for the 260 and the 300 circa 1972, I'd
appreciate seeing the data posted here for the gross weight and typical
useful loads.

The 1972 PA32-300 that I flew had the following numbers:
Empty weight: 1810.0 lbs
Basic weight: 1926.4 lbs
Gross weight: 3400.0 lbs
Useful load: 1473.6 lbs


Yea, I seem to remember we could put 1000 lbs of freight for the short hops we flew, a long time ago ;-)

Jim Carter wrote:
Steve,
For that to be true then the increase from engine weight and
associated accessories is greater than the pounds/horsepower of the 260.
Also, the gross weight increase of the aircraft has to be less than the
increase weight from the engine and accessories. I'm struggling to see
how that's possible -- but then I can't find my manuals either. If
someone has the figures for the 260 and the 300 circa 1972, I'd
appreciate seeing the data posted here for the gross weight and typical
useful loads.

I realize that was 35 years ago, but I was pretty sure the 300
could carry more then the 260.


The 260 and 300 both have the same max gross (3400 lbs). An identically
equipped 300 is some 80 lbs heavier, which gives the 260 the greater
useful load. My '65 -260 has a useful load of 1586 lbs. That said, the
-260 is not a short field machine when it is loaded up to gross. Not by
any stretch of the imagination.

"john smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jim Carter" wrote:

If someone has the figures for the 260 and the 300 circa 1972, I'd
appreciate seeing the data posted here for the gross weight and typical
useful loads.

The 1972 PA32-300 that I flew had the following numbers:
Empty weight: 1810.0 lbs
Basic weight: 1926.4 lbs
Gross weight: 3400.0 lbs
Useful load: 1473.6 lbs

"john smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jim Carter" wrote:

If someone has the figures for the 260 and the 300 circa 1972, I'd
appreciate seeing the data posted here for the gross weight and typical
useful loads.

The 1972 PA32-300 that I flew had the following numbers:
Empty weight: 1810.0 lbs
Basic weight: 1926.4 lbs
Gross weight: 3400.0 lbs
Useful load: 1473.6 lbs

My 1969 -260 had gross weight of 3400 and empty weight of 1919. Useful load
is 1481. I didn't say it was a lot more than the -300 but it's more :-)

You can get a POH and checklist for a PA32-260 here- http://www.bomar.biz/
Hope this helps.

John

Originally Posted by Al

It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on Thurs. Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or perhaps some of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a PA32-260 some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I pick up the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any warnings or
items I should watch out for?

Thanks,

Al G