VFR position reporting

Kev, if you can aproximate the year and a range of months, I can find
it that way.

I would rather believe it was an overdose of turkey than chemo or age
that's affecting your memory!


Thanks

On Nov 23, 8:20 pm, "Kev" wrote:
Tony wrote:
Kev, re your comment about another accident in the same area -- can you
offer other information or a link to the NTSB report?Man, I'm sorry. I have looked and looked tonight and can't seem to
find that NTSB report again. I even tried Googling my own posts,
since I know I wrote about it on Usenet back in 1999 when JFK Jr
crashed.

My memory is dim, but I believe it was a very small airline, perhaps
even an island air taxi kind of service. I seem to recall that the
NTSB report had a lot of the conversation (they didn't just guess what
the crew was doing) so they must've had a recording to work from, which
I'm not sure an air taxi requires.

I'll keep looking. This is a little frustrating. I want to blame the
chemotherapy, but I think it's just old age :-)

Kev

Tony writes:

Kev, re your comment about another accident in the same area -- can you
offer other information or a link to the NTSB report?

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief2.asp?...MA178& akey=1

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Tony writes:

Kev, re your comment about another accident in the same area -- can
you offer other information or a link to the NTSB report?


http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief2.asp?...MA178& akey=1

Wow. You even got this one wrong.

Neil

Kev, I scanned NTSB reports for MA for a few years before the JFK Jr
crash looking for multiple deaths in a part 91 or 135 flight going into
the water around the Vineyard meeting your description, and came up
dry. When I have a few minutes I'll check for Rhode Island accidents.
Any additional clues would be helpful.

Boys and girls, do practice unusual attitude recovery under the hood
with a safety pilot. 30 degree pitch and 60 degree bank limits make it
interesting, and sometimes cover the HSI too. It'll make being the
subject of a NTSB, like the one MX posted which describes the JFK Jr
accident, less likely.

On 2006-11-21, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Actually, I've had a problem with the CFI side of the Kennedy equation since
the day of the accident .
I know the area of the crash very well having flown up there myself many
times .
I've always had an issue with the fact that Kennedy wasn't as aware as he
should have been about the dangers of horizon loss in the area under certain
weather conditions and at certain times of the day. I also wasn't at all
satisfied with his inability to avoid the loss of control situation that
apparently resulted in the loss of the airplane and its occupants both on
the planning end and during the operational end directly prior to the crash.
This accident seemed literally riddled with contributing causes as indeed is
the situation in many aircraft accidents.
Not that in my opinion it was the single contributing cause, but I'll always
have an unanswered question in my mind about the quality of Kennedy's flight
instruction during his training.
Dudley Henriques

I read the report at the time, but your comments made me go back to
reread it. It was a text book accident. The NTSB even quoted the text.
Sure there were a lot of contributing causes, but that's the way these
things usually unfold.

Ignoring all other factors, here is a direct quote from the report
regarding the CFI who was currently working with him:

| The CFI stated that the pilot had the ability to fly the airplane without
| a visible horizon but may have had difficulty performing additional
| tasks under such conditions. He also stated that the pilot was not ready
| for an instrument evaluation as of July 1, 1999, and needed additional
| training. The CFI was not aware of the pilot conducting any flight in the
| accident airplane without an instructor on board. He also stated that
| he would not have felt comfortable with the accident pilot conducting
| night flight operations on a route similar to the one flown on, and in
| weather conditions similar to those that existed on, the night of the
| accident. The CFI further stated that he had talked to the pilot on the
| day of the accident and offered to fly with him on the accident flight. He
| stated that the accident pilot replied that "he wanted to do it alone."

Sounds like the CFI did talk to him, but he insisted on going anyway.
What else was the CFI supposed to do?

The NTSB report didn't otherwise paint him as reckless, but this always
sounded like a case of getthereitis to me.

Every once in a while, a more experienced pilot (CFI or not) has said
something to me like, "do you _really_ intend to do that?". I may or
may not have taken the advice, but I've always at least thought about
it. Usually, I took it.


Morris