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What is a nth Generation fighter?
Hi there,
Could anyone tell me examples of 1st..5th? generation fighters and other planes and what seperates them? (Apart from time) Thanks! |
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Could anyone tell me examples of 1st..5th? generation fighters and
other planes and what seperates them? (Apart from time) Good question, and one I asked an intel officer shortly after becoming mission qualified in the BUFF. Here's the way he layed it out: 1st Generation (early jet fighter) - MiG-15,17,19 or F-84, F-86 2nd Generation (early supersonic)- MiG-21 or Century Series 3rd Generation (advanced supersonic) - MiG-23 or F-4 4th Generation ("next generation") - MiG-25, 29, 31, Su-27 or F-14,15,16 5th Generation (???) - MiG 1.42, Su-30 series or FA/22, F-35 BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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Good question, and one I asked an intel officer shortly after becoming
mission qualified in the BUFF. Here's the way he layed it out: 1st Generation (early jet fighter) - MiG-15,17,19 or F-84, F-86 2nd Generation (early supersonic)- MiG-21 or Century Series 3rd Generation (advanced supersonic) - MiG-23 or F-4 4th Generation ("next generation") - MiG-25, 29, 31, Su-27 or F-14,15,16 5th Generation (???) - MiG 1.42, Su-30 series or FA/22, F-35 Good reply, but I don't think I'd classify Mig-25 as 4th generation. Its avionics and relatively primitive aerodynamics (I know, mach 2.8 - 3.2 primitive aero? Well, the X-2 was quite primitive too) don't match the 4th Gen aircraft. R / John |
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"Mary Shafer" wrote in message ... On 14 Dec 2003 15:02:22 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote: Good question, and one I asked an intel officer shortly after becoming mission qualified in the BUFF. Here's the way he layed it out: 1st Generation (early jet fighter) - MiG-15,17,19 or F-84, F-86 2nd Generation (early supersonic)- MiG-21 or Century Series. I'd put these all in the first generation, at least in their original incarnation. 3rd Generation (advanced supersonic) - MiG-23 or F-4 Second generation here. 4th Generation ("next generation") - MiG-25, 29, 31, Su-27 or F-14,15,16 Third generation, some upgraded to fourth. 5th Generation (???) - MiG 1.42, Su-30 series or FA/22, F-35 Fourth. The system I'm accustomed to is based on the level of avionics and flight control. First generation is the standard control system and electro-mechanical FCS, with fairly basic avionics. Second generation is more advanced integrated avionics, with analog feedback control system, not just dampers. Third generation is integrated avionics. LRUs, augmentation, HUD, fadec or equivalent. Fourth generation is heavy augmentation (probably digital) and FBW, highly integrated avionics that can used inputs from other sources, HMS, and so on. I think this is biased in favor of the Western generations and it's not really about the airframe, except perhaps low observables. It's pretty much what was used contemporaneously (well, not with the first generation, of course) in the business. Then does that mean that the F-18E is fourth generation, while her analog cousins are third? |
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"BUFDRVR" wrote in message ... Could anyone tell me examples of 1st..5th? generation fighters and other planes and what seperates them? (Apart from time) Good question, and one I asked an intel officer shortly after becoming mission qualified in the BUFF. Here's the way he layed it out: 1st Generation (early jet fighter) - MiG-15,17,19 or F-84, F-86 I believe you'd want to move the Mig-19 to the next category--it was IIRC "early supersonic" on the Soviet side, generally comparable to the F-100. 2nd Generation (early supersonic)- MiG-21 or Century Series 3rd Generation (advanced supersonic) - MiG-23 or F-4 4th Generation ("next generation") - MiG-25, 29, 31, Su-27 or F-14,15,16 5th Generation (???) - MiG 1.42, Su-30 series or FA/22, F-35 Not sure how universaly accepted that is. I thought there was a lot of hoopla a couple of years back about the JAS-39 being (at least claimed to be) the "first" fourth generation fighter to enter service, with the F/A-22, F-35, Rafael, and Eurofighter being lumped into that category as well? Brooks BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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5th Generation (???) - MiG 1.42, Su-30 series or FA/22, F-35
Fourth. Hmmm, okay Mary what would a 5th Generation fighter be? They are using that term fairly regularly when discussing the Su-30 family. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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Good reply, but I don't think I'd classify Mig-25 as 4th generation.
I may have catagorized that one incorrectly, but I though it was considered the same generation as the F-15? BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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