How accurate was B-26 bombing?

Go to my website to the section titled, "MISSIONS AND RESULTS". Click on "The
Bridge at Verberie" then" Wurzburg" to see how effective we were. Then peruse
the other 10 strike photos to get a good idea of precision bombing at its best.
The Bridge at Verberie is an example of putting a bomb in a pickle barrel from
10,000 feet.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 2/28/04 12:25 PM, in article
, "ArtKramr"
wrote:

The Bridge at Verberie is an example of putting a bomb in a pickle barrel
from 10,000 feet.

Was that ONE bomb, Art, in that "pickle barrel", or did a flight of several
aircraft string them out a little? In another post you told us how easy it
was from tem thousand feet -- "point blank" you said. Don't tell me they
gave out any medals for the Bridge at Verberie: it would have been
unsportsmanlike to accept one if that was true.


Jack
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Was that ONE bomb, Art, in that "pickle barrel", or did a flight of several
aircraft string them out a little?

No, no...each and every B-26 hit (within todays "Near-PGM" criteria of 10
meters) with each one of its bombs. Haven't you read Art before?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
No, no...each and every B-26 hit (within todays "Near-PGM" criteria of 10
meters) with each one of its bombs. Haven't you read Art before?
We all read him wearing hipboots! :-)

Subject: How accurate was B-26 bombing?
From: "Bob's Your Uncle"
Date: 2/29/04 5:46 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
No, no...each and every B-26 hit (within todays "Near-PGM" criteria of 10
meters) with each one of its bombs. Haven't you read Art before?
We all read him wearing hipboots! :-)



Can we see some of your strike photos?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ubject: How accurate was B-26 bombing?
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 2/28/04 6:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Was that ONE bomb, Art, in that "pickle barrel", or did a flight of several
aircraft string them out a little?

No, no...each and every B-26 hit (within todays "Near-PGM" criteria of 10
meters) with each one of its bombs. Haven't you read Art before?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


Can we see some of your strike photos?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Can we see some of your strike photos?


Sure old man.

To be fair, these two are actually the result of two 2-ships, but my formation
hit it first.

Befo http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/990526-O-9999M-003.jpg

After:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/990526-O-9999M-004.jpg

This mission was very interesting...to say the least:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/b990514i.jpg

The rest of my strikes to make "news" were JDAM strikes. The one thing you will
notice is that mil dispersion pretty much ensures a few of your weapons are
going to miss by a good distance, despite what you say. If you look at the
Batajanica images, we threw a few M-117s out "in the weeds". We had
anticiapated this because some of the weapons were in pretty bad shape. Unlike
you, we realized that sending a loader back to get us some new weapons would
have interfered with the "hustle & bustle" of flightline ops, so we pressed on.


The runway was shutdown for the remainder of the conflict, although Eagle
pilots flying around probably aided in shutting down flight ops there as much
as our weapons did.

Were you trying to make a point with your question?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: How accurate was B-26 bombing?
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 2/29/04 2:13 PM Pacific Standard Time

Can we see some of your strike photos?


Sure old man.

To be fair, these two are actually the result of two 2-ships, but my
formation
hit it first.

Befo http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/990526-O-9999M-003.jpg

After:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/990526-O-9999M-004.jpg

This mission was very interesting...to say the least:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/b990514i.jpg

The rest of my strikes to make "news" were JDAM strikes. The one thing you
will
notice is that mil dispersion pretty much ensures a few of your weapons are
going to miss by a good distance, despite what you say. If you look at the
Batajanica images, we threw a few M-117s out "in the weeds". We had
anticiapated this because some of the weapons were in pretty bad shape.
Unlike
you, we realized that sending a loader back to get us some new weapons would
have interfered with the "hustle & bustle" of flightline ops, so we pressed
on.


The runway was shutdown for the remainder of the conflict, although Eagle
pilots flying around probably aided in shutting down flight ops there as much
as our weapons did.

Were you trying to make a point with your question?


BUFDRVR


YTHe point I was triyng to make was that we flew misison swith dumb bimbs that
were sometimes as accurate as mision flown today with smart bombs. I showed
youy the strike photos and you still say it never happened. Your hits look good
and as you say you are getting a very large dispersion, How many planes in how
tight a formation? Looks a bit loose. What was the intervelometer interval? We
tucked in wingtip to wing tip on the run. See the Wurzburg hits. Also see
"FLAK" and "ONE WENT DOWN" to gewt an idea what things were like in the air
while we were on our bomb runs. One more thing. I note that there was a hole in
the bomb pattern that left one bullding standing Someone out of formation or a
delay in a release?
Thanks for posting the hits. I love looking at strike photos and live for tight
patterns. Got any more? Post some more and I won't call you names anymore.
(grin)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 29 Feb 2004 22:13:51 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

To be fair, these two are actually the result of two 2-ships, but my formation
hit it first.

Befo http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/990526-O-9999M-003.jpg

After:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/990526-O-9999M-004.jpg

This mission was very interesting...to say the least:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/b990514i.jpg

The rest of my strikes to make "news" were JDAM strikes. The one thing you will
notice is that mil dispersion pretty much ensures a few of your weapons are
going to miss by a good distance, despite what you say. If you look at the
Batajanica images, we threw a few M-117s out "in the weeds". We had
anticiapated this because some of the weapons were in pretty bad shape. Unlike
you, we realized that sending a loader back to get us some new weapons would
have interfered with the "hustle & bustle" of flightline ops, so we pressed on.

BUFDRVR,

First of all, nice shooting (dropping?lobbing?) either way. Bloody
good BDA. A quick question though....

Are the M-117s still being manufactured, or is it *still* a case of
running down old stock?

If they are still being produced, why? Do they have a noticably better
CEP over a Mk.82/83, or are they significantly cheaper?

Thanks,

---
Peter Kemp

Life is short - drink faster

(BUFDRVR) wrote in message ...

To be fair, these two are actually the result of two 2-ships, but my formation
hit it first.

Befo http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/990526-O-9999M-003.jpg

After:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/990526-O-9999M-004.jpg

Think you used enough dynamite there, Butch?

Wow.

-jake