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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... More like 1868 as the aftermath of the War of Northern Aggression ... :~) An odd name for a war in which the South fired the first shots. |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message news Have you directly or indirectly inherited some of the wealth that the slave owners stole from the black population? Thought so. What wealth was stolen from the black population by the slave owners? Ironically, the point of this subthread is that the right-wing slavery-apologists here on r.a.p. haven't gotten over losing the Civil War. Right-wing slavery-apologists here on r.a.p. haven't gotten over losing the Civil War? The Civil War ended 141 years ago. Nobody here on r.a.p. lost it. |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message . .. You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to its rightful owner). In the case of reparations for slavery, assuming the "rightful owners" were not all dead, what is it that would be returned to them? |
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wrote in message oups.com... Ending slavery without a war was tried in the US and it failed. It worked elsewhere, it would have worked here eventually. |
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"Montblack" wrote in
: ("Skywise" wrote) Why the [#%&*] else would there be reparations if not to punish? There are two regular posters who (sometimes) use the F'enheimer. Maybe that number is now three? Enjoyed the 'heck' out of your post, otherwise. I may talk that way at times in real life (depending on who's listening), but in written text I try to refrain from it's use. However, there are times when I feel it necessary to indulge in such language in order to bring focus to the point. Have you ever heard George Carlin's little piece on the F word? Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in news:q7KdnUu0VvPW-
: Snipola You're being intentionally obtuse. Snipola No. I am trying to focus on one specific point but you keep going off on everything else. Since you can't even stay on the same page as I, there is no point in continuing this discussion. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
nk.net: "Skywise" wrote in message ... I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved? Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the past, yes, but get over it. Are the descendents of the slaves demanding recompense from only the descendents of the slave owners? I thought the reparations effort was to gain compensation from the federal government, which would presumably obtain it from general revenue. That would have all taxpayers paying reparations, not just those that are descended from slave owners. Which just makes it even more 'unfair'. Why should my tax monies go to pay for something that I nor my ancestors are guilty of? Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Skywise" wrote in message ... Which just makes it even more 'unfair'. Why should my tax monies go to pay for something that I nor my ancestors are guilty of? They shouldn't. |
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Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:
"Skywise" wrote in message ... I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved? Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the past, yes, but get over it. Are the descendents of the slaves demanding recompense from only the descendents of the slave owners? I thought the reparations effort was to gain compensation from the federal government, which would presumably obtain it from general revenue. That would have all taxpayers paying reparations, not just those that are descended from slave owners. Which is just one of many reasons why this won't fly. Consider, too, that the decendents of slaves are tax payers! Neil |
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"Skywise" wrote in message
... No. I am trying to focus on one specific point but you keep going off on everything else. Here I'm honestly puzzled. What "specific point" are you "focusing on"? That *punitive* reparations are not warranted? Who has ever disagreed with you about that? My point is that when you hear advocacy of compensatory reparations (compensation for the lost inheritance of the value of the stolen labor), you respond as though you had just heard an advocacy of punitive reparations, even though that's not in fact what's being argued for. If you want to rebut the argument for compensatory reparations, that's fine; but please engage the argument that's actually presented, not a straw one that you substitute for it. When I point out your misconstrual of the standard pro-reparations argument, you reply that I'm thereby somehow shifting from your "focus" to "everything else". In reality, you did not mention the idea of *punitive* reparations until midway through the discussion, at which point you declared that it's what you'd been talking about all along. --Gary |
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