No touch and go's?

"John Jones" wrote

So you're saying restrictions like these only applies to multiple
touch and go's, not just one? When I do XC's with my students, we
always just do a single touch and go, then depart back. It's quick,
efficient, and arguably produces less noise. It seems kind of silly
that an airport would force you to do a full stop...

Sure, it applies to 1 T&G.

If all you want to do is fly a cross country, and do a T&G, go do it at one
of the airports that is not so busy.

They are wanting to save the pattern for planes that are leaving to go
somewhere else, and for planes coming to stay for a while, it seems.

Nothing wrong with that, I would think.

If it is a noise factor rule imposed by the surrounding residents, it would
seem that is a better compromise than losing another airport, IMHO.
--
Jim in NC

"joe" wrote

just ignore it
If the airport is a public use airport and receives federal money then
the local town/ city cannot place restrictions
on its use.
you as the PIC decide if you want to stop do a touch and go....
Our local airport tried that with some of the mechanic owners who were
servicing their own aircraft, telling them they can't work on their
own airplanes.

THAT is a totally different issue. I would assume (dangerous, I know) that
the FAA has approved the no T&G restrictions. Once that has happened, they
are part of the regulations, and a violation may be enforced.
--
Jim in NC

John Jones wrote in news:1188938195.144519.50200@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:

On Sep 4, 4:18 am, john wrote:
And I've seen them for overall length issues. My home airport is 2500
feet with 2-400 foot displaced thresholds so T&G would not be very safe
there.

Do you have an example of an airport that prohibits touch and go's
because of runway length issues? I know of a few 2500 foot runways in
my area that don;t have restriction, even though I agree it would be
rather risky to do a touch and go at those places...


21N - Mattituck, NY

On Sep 4, 6:54 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"joe" wrote

just ignore it
If the airport is a public use airport and receives federal money then
the local town/ city cannot place restrictions
on its use.
you as the PIC decide if you want to stop do a touch and go....
Our local airport tried that with some of the mechanic owners who were
servicing their own aircraft, telling them they can't work on their
own airplanes.

THAT is a totally different issue. I would assume (dangerous, I know) that
the FAA has approved the no T&G restrictions. Once that has happened, they
are part of the regulations, and a violation may be enforced.
--
Jim in NC

How is THAT a totally different issue? Is the town restricting it's
use? And no, the FAA most likley hasn't approved it.

So, say I go to that airport and do touch and go's? What FAR prevents
me from doing it? what could they violate me with?
Have you ever heard of some one getting violated for a touch and go?
ahh of course not.

Most likely the town is trying to cut down on noise.
joe

John Jones writes:

On Sep 4, 4:18 am, john wrote:
And I've seen them for overall length issues. My home airport is 2500
feet with 2-400 foot displaced thresholds so T&G would not be very safe
there.

Do you have an example of an airport that prohibits touch and go's
because of runway length issues? I know of a few 2500 foot runways in
my area that don;t have restriction, even though I agree it would be
rather risky to do a touch and go at those places...

KPAO has a 2443' runway, and I would argue that the majority of the
operations that runway sees are touch and go's...

Chris

On Sep 4, 5:03 pm, Judah wrote:
John Jones wrote in news:1188938195.144519.50200@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:

On Sep 4, 4:18 am, john wrote:
And I've seen them for overall length issues. My home airport is 2500
feet with 2-400 foot displaced thresholds so T&G would not be very safe
there.

Do you have an example of an airport that prohibits touch and go's
because of runway length issues? I know of a few 2500 foot runways in
my area that don;t have restriction, even though I agree it would be
rather risky to do a touch and go at those places...

21N - Mattituck, NY

Thats very interesting. It seems that airport is privately owned, so I
assume the restriction is there to preserve the condition of the
runway more than anything else.

But I wonder, how do they enforce that rule? It says "ALL TRNG OPNS;
TKOF/LNDG PRACTICE AND NIGHT OPNS ARE PROHIBITED."

If you're with your friend, just jaunting around on a Sunday
afternoon, can you do a touch and go there? Its not a training flight,
nor are you practicing anything there. Do you have to stop there and
visit the FBO or something for your landing to be allowed?

John Jones wrote in
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On Sep 4, 4:18 am, john wrote:
And I've seen them for overall length issues. My home airport is 2500
feet with 2-400 foot displaced thresholds so T&G would not be very safe
there.

Do you have an example of an airport that prohibits touch and go's
because of runway length issues? I know of a few 2500 foot runways in
my area that don;t have restriction, even though I agree it would be
rather risky to do a touch and go at those places...


That would depend on the aircraft. A STOL aircraft would not have a
problem in 2,500' or even shorter.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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John Jones wrote in
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On Sep 4, 4:35 am, B A R R Y wrote:
John Jones wrote:
In many airports out there, you'll find in the AFD in the comments

What exactly is meant by this?

Just what it says.

No T&G's means NO TOUCH AND GOES. G No T&G nights, means none at
night. One of my local fields allows them in one direction, but not the
other.

Doesn't it seem weird that an airport would prohibit a touch and go,
but a full stop/taxi back is perfectly allowed? I'm talking about one
single touch and go, not multiple ones.


If in doubt, simply call the field and ask.

Been there, done that. After being put on hold for about 20 minutes,
I'll get some desk monkey who doesn't even know what a touch and go is.



Why is this weird? If it is a noise problem, a full length take off
will place the aircraft higher at the airport boundary than one starting
further down the runway. The higher you are, the less noise on the ground
below you.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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John Jones wrote:
On Sep 4, 4:18 am, john wrote:
And I've seen them for overall length issues. My home airport is 2500
feet with 2-400 foot displaced thresholds so T&G would not be very safe
there.

Do you have an example of an airport that prohibits touch and go's
because of runway length issues? I know of a few 2500 foot runways in
my area that don;t have restriction, even though I agree it would be
rather risky to do a touch and go at those places...

KANP, Annapolis,MD has the restriction. Is it all length or is it noise
or is it both, can't say for sure.

John Jones wrote in news:1188955028.995554.50600
@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

If you're with your friend, just jaunting around on a Sunday
afternoon, can you do a touch and go there? Its not a training flight,
nor are you practicing anything there. Do you have to stop there and
visit the FBO or something for your landing to be allowed?

There's a big sign on the runway that says "NO TOUCH & GOS"...