Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade

Andrew Gideon wrote:

when you call NY approach from the north flying into KCDW or KTEB,
they'll just tell you to descend and remain clear of class B anyway.

That is not my experience. I fly into that area all the time (I primarily
fly out of CDW), and I cannot recall the last time that occurred. It *has*
occurred; don't get me wrong. But it's been a long time since.

I should clarify -- NY approach is happy to provide flight following
further out, but when I get close to the class B and switch
frequencies, they direct me underneath. I've come in VFR three times
to KTEB or KCDW from the north and have had the same thing all three
times.


All the best,


David

Andrew Gideon wrote:

The fees have gone up since. ATC doesn't care, but the people charging for
space on the ground are rather unfriendly to small GA aircraft. In a way,
it makes sense. If we take up the same space as 1/4 of a jet they want to
make the same income as 1/4 of a jet.

My experience at Atlantic at KTEB in March 2005 was just the opposite.
The line guy directed our Warrior to the place where we would meet
customs, then followed us in a minivan, waited for customs to finish,
led us to the tiedown in the minivan (with my family already in the
van), then drove us all to the FBO. Given that the tie-down was,
maybe, 50 meters from the FBO, I found that pretty excessive, but I
certainly cannot complain about being ignored. I managed to talk them
out of driving us back to the plane for the trip home.


All the best,


David

"David Megginson" wrote in message
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Andrew Gideon wrote:

The fees have gone up since. ATC doesn't care, but the people charging
for
space on the ground are rather unfriendly to small GA aircraft. In a
way,
it makes sense. If we take up the same space as 1/4 of a jet they want
to
make the same income as 1/4 of a jet.

My experience at Atlantic at KTEB in March 2005 was just the opposite.
The line guy directed our Warrior to the place where we would meet
customs, then followed us in a minivan, waited for customs to finish,
led us to the tiedown in the minivan (with my family already in the
van), then drove us all to the FBO. Given that the tie-down was,
maybe, 50 meters from the FBO, I found that pretty excessive, but I
certainly cannot complain about being ignored. I managed to talk them
out of driving us back to the plane for the trip home.


I talked to all of them on the phone and they all seemed just as eager to
get my business as the next FBO. With that being said, I did think that
Atlantic had the best customer relations over the phone and was looking
forward to giving them a try.

John Doe wrote:

I talked to all of them on the phone and they all seemed just as eager to
get my business as the next FBO.

Well, I'm surprised but pleased.

- Andrew

David Megginson wrote:

I should clarify -- NY approach is happy to provide flight following
further out, but when I get close to the class B and switch
frequencies, they direct me underneath. I've come in VFR three times
to KTEB or KCDW from the north and have had the same thing all three
times.

It's been a while since I've flown into TEB; I don't recall details.

But flying into CDW from the north (or west), whenever I ask for class B at
some altitude, I've been typically given it. I cannot recall the last time
I told to stay clear/under.

In fact, I've had more trouble getting down than up. I've been held high
too long on occasion, making it a little cumbersome to contact CDW (ie. I
might be *above* their airspace at that point). It's something to watch
for, as TRACON appears to have no problem flying us into CDW's airspace w/o
coordinating it w/the tower.

I think that this is more common coming from the south, but I'm not sure.

- Andrew