FAI, soaring and Olympic Games

stephanevdv wrote:
Eric Greenwell wrote:

As I've mentioned in another posting, I agree with the argument that
we already have at least two de facto one-design classes: the
Standard and 15 meter


Listening to the comments of the competitors in last year's World
Gliding Championships at Leszno, I think many of them would disagree.
For example, many Discus 2 and Ventus 2 drivers would try to fly the
"a" type with the smaller fuselage, even if they needed a shoehorn to
get into it. With the same wing, the difference should be marginal
compared to the "b" type, but...

There are differences between the various gliders, but they are quite
small (I'd guess at 1% or less in overall speed), and even the
competitors don't agree which glider has the advantage. If they did, we
really would have a one-design class, as every pilot would show up with
the same glider.

Is anyone really interested in closing that 1% gap? I don't think so.
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Eric Greenwell
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USA

Hmmm. Maybe aero-towing and winching are more in line with the Olympic
tradition.

The scoring unit would be the milliHelen, with one awarded for each
launching of one ship. The winner is the team gets to a thousand
first.

Bob "face the music" K.

For Example John Smith wrote:

There, now we're ready. Olympics 2008 will include 2 sailplane racing
classes - Standard and 15 Meter.
Oops, forgot rules. Same as for the World's I suppose?

Allow a small delay for rules. Say, till Olympics 2009 ;-) ?

--
Denis

R. Parce que ça rompt le cours normal de la conversation !!!
Q. Pourquoi ne faut-il pas répondre au-dessus de la question ?

Eric Greenwell wrote:

There are differences between the various gliders, but they are quite
small (I'd guess at 1% or less in overall speed), and even the
competitors don't agree which glider has the advantage.

Yes. Most competitors I've heard agree other gliders have definitively
an advantage over their ;-)

--
Denis

R. Parce que ça rompt le cours normal de la conversation !!!
Q. Pourquoi ne faut-il pas répondre au-dessus de la question ?

For a reason or another the current classes hev yet to make it to Olympics.
Moreover. I don't believe that they'll ever make it.

Monoclasses are preferred in sailing because that made it possible to gain
large presence in Olympics.


"For Example John Smith" wrote in message
...
Maybe I'm failing in making the argument, but what I'm trying to say is
that
a) the differences in performance between modern ships are tiny (no
handicapping required)
b) the annual incremental advance is small
c) the population of modern ships is large (enough)
Therefore, there's no need to design & build a WC ship--we already have
two
designs that qualify--15M and Standard.

Brent
"Gary Boggs" wrote in message
...
But then we're back to having to have the latest (most expensive) design
to
be competitive. I always thought that one of the reasons to have an
Olympic
contest was to test the pilots, not the plane or the pocket book.
Having
a
handicapped contest would open it up to more than just those who could
afford the latest designs.


"For Example John Smith" wrote in message
...

"Gary Boggs" wrote in message
...

So why do we have to have a one design contest for the Olympics?

That's exactly my point and it sounds like you and Eric at least agree

Why not just make it a handicapped contest using the current fleet?

Here we have a minor disagreement. Eric and I are saying that no
handicapping is required. We (the sport of soaring) just define 15m
as
a
monoclass and Standard as a monoclass.

There, now we're ready. Olympics 2008 will include 2 sailplane racing
classes - Standard and 15 Meter.
Oops, forgot rules. Same as for the World's I suppose?

So, same discussion in 4 years time?



"iPilot" wrote in message
...
It's been under discussion for several times, but I want to bring it up
again.

There have been several pro's and con's towards soaring in Olympics, but
nobody argues that it'd
rise the popularity of the sport. So it is important for soaring
community. Therefore my question is
following:

Wich way is soaring worse than sailing?

None of the cities that have organised Olympic games in the past would
have any geographic troubles
on organising soaring competitions (Moscow had troubles with organising
sailing competition which
had to be held in Tallinn - 900 km away).
None of the latest summer games that I remember have had such miserable
weather that the competition
would have to be left unheld.

The main argument against soaring is the fact that equipment can make a
difference here. Well. Here
is the challenge for igc. They have to face that their first trial of
monoclass failed and they have
to try again. This time with relatively high-performing, yet still not
expencive standard or 15m
class design.

As a matter of fact I don't believe that sailing deserves to have 9
different classes on Olympics
and soaring none. I personally think that FAI has failed bigtime to find
the concensus amongst all
air sports to get air sports represented on Olympic games. It shall be the
biggest argument towards
Olympic Commety - there's no air sports in Olympics nowadays. And the most
suitable sport would be
soaring because it's competitive, not so dependent on equipment and
directly measurable. Making
soaring TV-friendly shall not be a problem as well today. And with racing
tasks only allowed on
olympics it shall be understandable for general public as well.

How can we do it?

Regards,
Kaido




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How did it work? Was there a single start line? How long was it?

I can see the danger in everyone trying to squeeze through a narrow gate at
the same time. Would a longer gate - say 10km perpendicular to the first TP
track help?





"Chris OCallaghan" wrote in message
om...
Tony,

You've described what was once called the "shotgun" start, as
practiced at the 15M Nationals in Chester SC, 1988. All I can say is
Yikes!!! Scariest thing I've ever done in a sailplane. Sixty gliders
flying at 100+ knots at cloudbase in a confined area. Close second to
that was the implosion finish back in the days when you were penalized
for being overtime on a POST. Gliders arriving at the finish line from
all points on the compass at the same time. I understand the people on
the ground loved it! Glider demolition derby.


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Pilots were required to take a picture of two trailers crossing the
"tee" at a given time. Sixty gliders all snapping a pic and rolling
out on course (a POST) to all points of the compass directly above the
airport.

A curved start line of 10k length is an interesting thought, but the
herd instinct prevails. Pilots will wait in the available lift, and a
large number will try to position themselves with certain contest IDs.
Pilot selected start times seem the best way to keep the density
lower, though never low.

"Tony" wrote in message ...
How did it work? Was there a single start line? How long was it?

I can see the danger in everyone trying to squeeze through a narrow gate at
the same time. Would a longer gate - say 10km perpendicular to the first TP
track help?





"Chris OCallaghan" wrote in message
om...
Tony,

You've described what was once called the "shotgun" start, as
practiced at the 15M Nationals in Chester SC, 1988. All I can say is
Yikes!!! Scariest thing I've ever done in a sailplane. Sixty gliders
flying at 100+ knots at cloudbase in a confined area. Close second to
that was the implosion finish back in the days when you were penalized
for being overtime on a POST. Gliders arriving at the finish line from
all points on the compass at the same time. I understand the people on
the ground loved it! Glider demolition derby.


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On Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:19:38 PM UTC+3, iPilot wrote:
It's been under discussion for several times, but I want to bring it up again.

There have been several pro's and con's towards soaring in Olympics, but nobody argues that it'd
rise the popularity of the sport. So it is important for soaring community. Therefore my question is
following:

Wich way is soaring worse than sailing?

None of the cities that have organised Olympic games in the past would have any geographic troubles
on organising soaring competitions (Moscow had troubles with organising sailing competition which
had to be held in Tallinn - 900 km away).
None of the latest summer games that I remember have had such miserable weather that the competition
would have to be left unheld.

The main argument against soaring is the fact that equipment can make a difference here. Well. Here
is the challenge for igc. They have to face that their first trial of monoclass failed and they have
to try again. This time with relatively high-performing, yet still not expencive standard or 15m
class design.

As a matter of fact I don't believe that sailing deserves to have 9 different classes on Olympics
and soaring none. I personally think that FAI has failed bigtime to find the concensus amongst all
air sports to get air sports represented on Olympic games. It shall be the biggest argument towards
Olympic Commety - there's no air sports in Olympics nowadays. And the most suitable sport would be
soaring because it's competitive, not so dependent on equipment and directly measurable. Making
soaring TV-friendly shall not be a problem as well today. And with racing tasks only allowed on
olympics it shall be understandable for general public as well.

How can we do it?

Regards,
Kaido

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