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Old March 5th 06, 02:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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I'm thinking about getting a glider rating for my BFR this summer. I
talked with one place in Truckee but was told it would take an entire
week to do.
Are there any places to do this that specalize in BFRs such that you
can fly much more per day in order to be done in a few intense days? I
just can't justify being away for an entire week for a BFR.
-Robert

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Old March 5th 06, 07:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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But you were not talking about getting a BFR, you were talking about getting
an Additional Rating instead of a BFR.

Look up FAR61.109 and see what is required for the add on rating. A week is
in your words, "a few intense days", plus factor wind/weather problems /
delays.

Many people can do it in a week, many active pilots cannot. Can you fly
formation (tow), can you consistently hit your landing mark without adding
power (you are a glider now). To do it in a week you will be flying many
times every day, and when you are not flying you better have your nose in a
book.

There is some place closer, with bunking facilities, go ask them if they
think a "one week to a glider rating" is worth anything. It's just up the
road in Williams.

BT

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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I'm thinking about getting a glider rating for my BFR this summer. I
talked with one place in Truckee but was told it would take an entire
week to do.
Are there any places to do this that specalize in BFRs such that you
can fly much more per day in order to be done in a few intense days? I
just can't justify being away for an entire week for a BFR.
-Robert



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Old March 5th 06, 07:27 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.soaring
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But you were not talking about getting a BFR, you were talking about
getting an Additional Rating instead of a BFR.

Look up FAR61.109 and see what is required for the add on rating. A week
is in your words, "a few intense days", plus factor wind/weather problems
/ delays.

Many people can do it in a week, many active pilots cannot. Can you fly
formation (tow), can you consistently hit your landing mark without adding
power (you are a glider now). To do it in a week you will be flying many
times every day, and when you are not flying you better have your nose in
a book.

There is some place closer, with bunking facilities, go ask them if they
think a "one week to a glider rating" is worth anything. It's just up the
road in Williams.

BT

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
I'm thinking about getting a glider rating for my BFR this summer. I
talked with one place in Truckee but was told it would take an entire
week to do.
Are there any places to do this that specalize in BFRs such that you
can fly much more per day in order to be done in a few intense days? I
just can't justify being away for an entire week for a BFR.
-Robert





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Old March 5th 06, 03:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote

I'm thinking about getting a glider rating for my BFR this summer. I
talked with one place in Truckee but was told it would take an entire
week to do.
Are there any places to do this that specalize in BFRs such that you
can fly much more per day in order to be done in a few intense days? I
just can't justify being away for an entire week for a BFR.
-Robert


I'm thinking about getting an additional rating (glider) under
61.62 in lieu of a Flight Review under 61.65..........

Are there any flight schools that specialize in intensive glider
training, I just can't justify being away for an entire week for
an additional rating.


First....no such thing as a 'BFR' and then you misuse 'BFR' to
mean 'Rating' twice. I have no idea about how long a 'BFR' would
require, but a Flight Review can be done in a single afternoon.

Bob Moore
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Old March 5th 06, 03:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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When I was stationed in Sacramento there used to be some glider
operations around Vacaville towards San Francisco right off I-80.

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Old March 5th 06, 03:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Unless I'm missunderstanding you, you seem to claim
that waiting around on the ground will make me a better glider pilot
than actually flying.


Time on the ground is important - it is during that time that the
lessons learned in the air sink in. This is true for all flying.

Jose
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Old March 5th 06, 04:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Jose wrote:
Unless I'm missunderstanding you, you seem to claim
that waiting around on the ground will make me a better glider pilot
than actually flying.


Time on the ground is important - it is during that time that the
lessons learned in the air sink in. This is true for all flying.


Speaking of ''sinking in'' ... with gliders, unless there is lift, you
don't always have time to get lots of verbal instruction in-flight like
you can in powered aircraft. Much of the instruction, analyzing,
explanation takes place on the ground so that you can make use of every
minute of available flight time after releasing from the tow; depending
on the conditions and availability/lack of lift, that may only be a few
minutes.
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Old March 5th 06, 06:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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If you want to learn what happened in the air, or with the air, you need the
book work.

Most people depending on the "aviator skills" can complete the required
training in the week. Many pilots do not possess the level of aviator skills
that they had when they completed their last rating and need to be built
back up to that level. There are articles in recent soaring magazines to
attest to this fact, they completed their "simple add on rating in a week",
but they spent more time on the ground and in the books then they "needed"
in the air.

As a CFIG I have flown with many different levels of pilot qualification in
hours and ratings. Surprisingly, but maybe not so surprisingly, I have found
that the 14 year old kid that has never touched MS FlightSim does better at
aircraft control than the 2000hr fighter jet jock that has no idea what his
feet are for. Or that "accomplished" Comm ASEL AMSEL ASES IFR pilot that
always talks about his accomplishments in the air (ratings in his pocket),
but cannot fly a simple glider with out the nose hunting left and right in
straight and level flight, even on tow. He's always one half of the sine
wave behind the airplane. And this guy expects to be able to land a Grob on
his fist flight or accomplish an add on rating in a week? Don't think so.

I did not mean to imply the "waiting on the ground". I simply stated that
you would be flying at every opportunity and when you are not flying you had
best be in the books. Can you build and understand a Skew-T diagram fro raw
data as it relates to soaring conditions? Can you look at a 24-36hr prog
chart and forecast the potential soaring conditions for the next 2 days? Do
you really understand the mechanics of thermal generation, wind effects on
the thermals, inversion, or ridge, slope or wave lift? Rotor's do kill.

BT

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
Its odd that you seem to associate the quality of the rating with the
number of days it takes rather than the number of hours you get to fly.
I'm looking for something where I spend more time in the air and less
time on the ground. Unless I'm missunderstanding you, you seem to claim
that waiting around on the ground will make me a better glider pilot
than actually flying.

-Robert



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Old March 5th 06, 06:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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You used the term "BFR" and I echoed it, my bad to use terms you seem to
understand and not correct you.

Yes, completing an additional pilots rating takes the place of a Flight
Review as required by 61.56.
A flight review can be completed with one hour of ground school and one hour
of flight as a minimum.
An additional rating is not so easily accomplished. Are you ready for an
average 2 hour oral exam with an FAA DPE on your aviation knowledge in the
FARS, weather and AIM?

BT

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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But you were not talking about getting a BFR, you were talking about
getting
an Additional Rating instead of a BFR.


I think that is what I said "Glider RATING near Sacramento", "I'm
thinking about getting a glider RATING for my BFR this summer". There
is no FAA definition of the term "BFR" but most consider a BFR to be
the currency requirements of 61.56 of which an additional checkride OR
a CFI signature equally qualifies.

-Robert



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Old March 5th 06, 06:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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I believe that is the group now at Williams.
BT

"150flivver" wrote in message
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When I was stationed in Sacramento there used to be some glider
operations around Vacaville towards San Francisco right off I-80.



 




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