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Old August 25th 08, 04:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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I was thumbing through a catalog from Speedway Motors. They advertise
a magneto-type distributor. Assuming you didn't come across a
thrashed race engine with magnetos, couldn't someone put together an
engine worthy of aircraft use, by simply 1) ordering an aftermarket
engine with fuel injection, such as the chevy "RamJet" crate engine,
2) adding a dry sump lubrication system to it (not too strange
addition to high perf cars nowadays), and 3)-adding the magneto from
Speedway. Use direct drive to keep the RPM low and reliability high.
I doubt that today's hi perf crate engines lack the torque to turn a
prop at 1:1.

If this is unsafe, specifically why?

I know someone could fly within 100 miles of a t-storm and have the
static electricity play with the ignition system, but stop a magneto?
If you were struck with lightning, your auto-engine might stop, but
then your resin might burn and melt, leaving you with some loose
fiberglass to negotiate a crash. Point I'm making is, experimental
planes near t-storms have bigger probs to worry about, don't they?

BTW, that magneto appears to be offered just for big and small block
chevy's. Aside from that, the models they carry are "nostalgia
engines"...1950 hemis, flat head fords and the like. Another caveat:
they cost $1100...but even with that and a $1200 dry sump system, we
are still way under the cost of an O-540.
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Old August 26th 08, 04:28 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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nope...you'd have a tough time getting fuel injection / dry sump in a
corvair motor too. if you don't mind carbs, and like the 1960s
engines, you could also consider a buick aluminum

...in fact, you could look for a shop that specializes in making range
rover V8 w/EFI work outside of their OEM environment. range rover was
essentially a small aluminum buick v8....but i think it was
discontinued around 2000. still, the range rover engine is probably a
lot easier to find than the buick version. but you'd probably end up
with 33% more weight than the corvair


On Aug 25, 8:35*am, Gig 601Xl Builder
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BTW, that magneto appears to be offered just for big and small block
chevy's. *Aside from that, the models they carry are "nostalgia
engines"...1950 hemis, flat head fords and the like. *Another caveat:
they cost $1100...but even with that and a $1200 dry sump system, we
are still way under the cost of an O-540.


Did they have one for the Corvair?


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Old August 26th 08, 04:40 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On Aug 25, 4:25*am, Philippe wrote:
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Another caveat:
they cost $1100...but even with that and a $1200 dry sump system, we
are still way under the cost of an O-540.


* *and you are over the weight of an O-540...

But *it will fly

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Volem rien foutre al païs!
* * Philippe Vessaire *Ò¿Ó¬
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not if it's an aluminum aftermarket racing block. i don't think GM's
ramjet crate engine is offered with aluminum blocks though...but in
all honesty, there are a dozen shops that could make an alloy ramjet
chevy engine in their sleep.

i suspect an alloy chevy small block weighs less than an O-540, and an
alloy chevy big block weighs a little more...so you get to choose. i
assume you need a radiator, but not a psru.

given the output of the big block in the neighborhood of 500hp, maybe
it would be fair to compare it's weight/fuel consumption to a TSIO-540
or normally aspirated O-720 or PT6 turboprop.

my reason for starting this thread is simple...i've read a lot of "mad
scientist/decades of refinement" auto conversion stories...only to see
this magneto option in a consumer catalog as a 2 wire bolt in! i
realize magnetos are in $18,000-48,000 corporate-sponsored race
engines, but then you'd just as well buy a 220hp Franklin for the same
money.

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Old August 26th 08, 05:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Default A Simple Auto Engine Conversion

On Aug 25, 3:48*pm, "
wrote:
I was thumbing through a catalog from Speedway Motors. *They advertise
a magneto-type distributor. *Assuming you didn't come across a
thrashed race engine with magnetos, couldn't someone put together an
engine worthy of aircraft use, by simply 1) ordering an aftermarket
engine with fuel injection, such as the chevy "RamJet" crate engine,
2) adding a dry sump lubrication system to it (not too strange
addition to high perf cars nowadays), and 3)-adding the magneto from
Speedway. *Use direct drive to keep the RPM low and reliability high.
I doubt that today's hi perf crate engines lack the torque to turn a
prop at 1:1.

If this is unsafe, specifically why?

I know someone could fly within 100 miles of a t-storm and have the
static electricity play with the ignition system, but stop a magneto?
If you were struck with lightning, your auto-engine might stop, but
then your resin might burn and melt, leaving you with some loose
fiberglass to negotiate a crash. *Point I'm making is, experimental
planes near t-storms have bigger probs to worry about, don't they?

BTW, that magneto appears to be offered just for big and small block
chevy's. *Aside from that, the models they carry are "nostalgia
engines"...1950 hemis, flat head fords and the like. *Another caveat:
they cost $1100...but even with that and a $1200 dry sump system, we
are still way under the cost of an O-540.


How about this one:
http://www.vertical-aviation.com/press.aspx?pr_id=53
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Old August 26th 08, 05:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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I was thumbing through a catalog from Speedway Motors. They advertise
a magneto-type distributor. Assuming you didn't come across a
thrashed race engine with magnetos, couldn't someone put together an
engine worthy of aircraft use, by simply 1) ordering an aftermarket
engine with fuel injection, such as the chevy "RamJet" crate engine,
2) adding a dry sump lubrication system to it (not too strange
addition to high perf cars nowadays), and 3)-adding the magneto from
Speedway. Use direct drive to keep the RPM low and reliability high.
I doubt that today's hi perf crate engines lack the torque to turn a
prop at 1:1.

If this is unsafe, specifically why?

I know someone could fly within 100 miles of a t-storm and have the
static electricity play with the ignition system, but stop a magneto?
If you were struck with lightning, your auto-engine might stop, but
then your resin might burn and melt, leaving you with some loose
fiberglass to negotiate a crash. Point I'm making is, experimental
planes near t-storms have bigger probs to worry about, don't they?

BTW, that magneto appears to be offered just for big and small block
chevy's. Aside from that, the models they carry are "nostalgia
engines"...1950 hemis, flat head fords and the like. Another caveat:
they cost $1100...but even with that and a $1200 dry sump system, we
are still way under the cost of an O-540.


OEM automotive engines are not usually designed to develop enough horsepower
at direct drive RPMs, to justify their finished weight, after including the
complete radiator, pump and coolant. Especially when compared to their
traditional aircraft counterparts.

Selection of an all aluminum small block, with all the lightweight and high
strength aftermarket parts can easily begin approaching the cost of a good
used aircraft engine, and still leave a lot of engineering to cost money or
build time, increase complexity and question reliability.

There is also still a question of resale value of the finished aircraft.

Lots of factors besides magnetos and dry sump systems. Why do you feel a dry
sump is necessary?


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Old August 26th 08, 06:59 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Default A Simple Auto Engine Conversion

Most popular engine conversion of all times?

http://www.pilotfriend.com/aero_engi...%200%20360.htm
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Old August 26th 08, 02:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Default A Simple Auto Engine Conversion

On Aug 24, 9:48*pm, "
wrote:
I was thumbing through a catalog from Speedway Motors. *They advertise
a magneto-type distributor. *Assuming you didn't come across a
thrashed race engine with magnetos, couldn't someone put together an
engine worthy of aircraft use, by simply 1) ordering an aftermarket
engine with fuel injection, such as the chevy "RamJet" crate engine,
2) adding a dry sump lubrication system to it (not too strange
addition to high perf cars nowadays), and 3)-adding the magneto from
Speedway. *Use direct drive to keep the RPM low and reliability high.
I doubt that today's hi perf crate engines lack the torque to turn a
prop at 1:1.

If this is unsafe, specifically why?

I know someone could fly within 100 miles of a t-storm and have the
static electricity play with the ignition system, but stop a magneto?
If you were struck with lightning, your auto-engine might stop, but
then your resin might burn and melt, leaving you with some loose
fiberglass to negotiate a crash. *Point I'm making is, experimental
planes near t-storms have bigger probs to worry about, don't they?

BTW, that magneto appears to be offered just for big and small block
chevy's. *Aside from that, the models they carry are "nostalgia
engines"...1950 hemis, flat head fords and the like. *Another caveat:
they cost $1100...but even with that and a $1200 dry sump system, we
are still way under the cost of an O-540.


These conversions are done all the time.. All it takes is alot of
work... But that is what homebuilding is all about right ?

Ben
www.haaspowerair.com

Watch this video too. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...50730841&hl=en
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Old August 27th 08, 04:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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a dry sump isn't absolutely necessary...neither is fuel
injection....neither is a magneto.
just a good way to hedge your bets. say your're in the mountains,
it's stormy, and you have turbulence. no matter what Gs or static you
are subjected to, the engine would get a steady supply of oil, fuel
and electricity.

i know resale value is diminished and the public perception is not
good. i'm just trying to understand the specific technical reasons
why. all i hear is that 1-auto engines MUST have psru and 2-therefore
turn high/spooky rpm continuously. then i fail to hear of any case
where a conversion project stumbles for lack of a psru. everyone who
dares to run direct is glad, and most of us agree there is nothing
scary about driving all day, every day, at 2900 rpm with a car
engine. you won't get 100% hp, but a camshaft and dual plane intake
change could help with that.

the rotaries need a lot of rpm to make decent power. so much that the
propeller is spinning too fast. i'm aware of this, but the plug and
ply magnetos i'm referring to are not avail for rotaries.

maybe aircraft engines have dual spark plugs...each cylinder fed by
two independent magnetos..is that the case? is that the safety
measure lacking in auto conversions? aside from the "psru myth", the
dual plugs are all i can think of.


On Aug 25, 9:13*pm, "Ramsey" @##@.^net wrote:
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I was thumbing through a catalog from Speedway Motors. *They advertise
a magneto-type distributor. *Assuming you didn't come across a
thrashed race engine with magnetos, couldn't someone put together an
engine worthy of aircraft use, by simply 1) ordering an aftermarket
engine with fuel injection, such as the chevy "RamJet" crate engine,
2) adding a dry sump lubrication system to it (not too strange
addition to high perf cars nowadays), and 3)-adding the magneto from
Speedway. *Use direct drive to keep the RPM low and reliability high.
I doubt that today's hi perf crate engines lack the torque to turn a
prop at 1:1.


If this is unsafe, specifically why?


I know someone could fly within 100 miles of a t-storm and have the
static electricity play with the ignition system, but stop a magneto?
If you were struck with lightning, your auto-engine might stop, but
then your resin might burn and melt, leaving you with some loose
fiberglass to negotiate a crash. *Point I'm making is, experimental
planes near t-storms have bigger probs to worry about, don't they?


BTW, that magneto appears to be offered just for big and small block
chevy's. *Aside from that, the models they carry are "nostalgia
engines"...1950 hemis, flat head fords and the like. *Another caveat:
they cost $1100...but even with that and a $1200 dry sump system, we
are still way under the cost of an O-540.


OEM automotive engines are not usually designed to develop enough horsepower
at direct drive RPMs, to justify their finished weight, after including the
complete radiator, pump and coolant. Especially when compared to their
traditional aircraft counterparts.

Selection of an all aluminum small block, with all the lightweight and high
strength aftermarket parts can easily begin approaching the cost of a good
used aircraft engine, and still leave a lot of engineering to cost money or
build time, increase complexity and question reliability.

There is also still a question of resale value of the finished aircraft.

Lots of factors besides magnetos and dry sump systems. Why do you feel a dry
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