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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
The ruddervator actuation system is a distinctive feature of a Schreder sailplane. If a picture of the control surface actuator coupling had been taken when the following picture was taken, I would be able to tell if it came from a sailplane designed by Dick Schreder.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2695/...a7a44d65_b.jpg "Bob Kuykendall" wrote in message ... On Dec 11, 7:48 pm, Bob Kuykendall wrote: I just finished another eight hour day at ADF X, and then an hour cleaning up what's going amok where I work most days. So I'll spend a half-hour digging through the files, but no more. Sorry, no Reids anywhere in the files for HP-11, -12A, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, RS-15, or in any of the several "Misc." folders. I did discover that Paul Bikle had fine penmanship, though. That's not to say that the aft fuselage and tail aren't Schreder parts, just that I found no record of it. Which is a pity, because I do love a mystery like this! Thanks, Bob K. |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
Wayne Paul wrote:
The ruddervator actuation system is a distinctive feature of a Schreder sailplane. If a picture of the control surface actuator coupling had been taken when the following picture was taken, I would be able to tell if it came from a sailplane designed by Dick Schreder. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2695/...a7a44d65_b.jpg That plane must have had tremendous cockpit ventilation. Probably your hat ended up back in the tail boom. |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Dec 12, 11:16*am, Greg Arnold wrote:
Wayne Paul wrote: The ruddervator actuation system is a distinctive feature of a Schreder sailplane. *If a picture of the control surface actuator coupling had been taken when the following picture was taken, I would be able to tell if it came from a sailplane designed by *Dick Schreder. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2695/...a7a44d65_b.jpg That plane must have had tremendous cockpit ventilation. *Probably your hat ended up back in the tail boom. TUSC members remember this ship being at our present field at El Tiro until around 1984. It sounds as if it was sold to a new owner and moved around this time. Possibly the owner of the Serene strip or a family member. We will certainly go and take another look with more detailed photos just to satisfy all the curiosity we've stirred up. Mike |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Dec 12, 10:16*am, Greg Arnold wrote:
Wayne Paul wrote: The ruddervator actuation system is a distinctive feature of a Schreder sailplane. *If a picture of the control surface actuator coupling had been taken when the following picture was taken, I would be able to tell if it came from a sailplane designed by *Dick Schreder. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2695/...a7a44d65_b.jpg That plane must have had tremendous cockpit ventilation. *Probably your hat ended up back in the tail boom. Also possible, in addition to providing pitot and cockpit vent, he was looking into setting up some sort of blow hole turbulators in the wing like the ASW20 and DG300 and the hole could provide the necessary intake port...pure speculation on my part. Good job guys id'ing this. |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Dec 7 2009, 3:48*pm, Mike the Strike wrote:
Several of our members have recently been surveying possible landing strips for our contest database and Steve Koerner came across an old crashed glider in the Arizona desert..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/3676667...7622824263137/ Registration was N71JR. Suggestions and speculation welcome! I was contacted by a pilot who has flow at Estrella for many years. He told me he knew about this glider and I asked him to write up what he knew. His wife sent the following in an email. "back in 1986? 1987? joe was looking for a new trailer for his 1-35 that he had bought in moriarity, new mexico. the glider came with a closed in trailer but it was big enough to make a mobile home out of it!!! joe thinks he saw the ad for a trailer in the ssa magazine and called a tel. # down in tucson. it was the wife of jordan reid who was already deceased (from cancer we think) and she was just trying to get rid of it. she told joe her husband had been an aeronautical engineer at the university down there and that the trailer had a glider in it that he had built, but after 5 or 6 test flights, the wings were fluttering really bad. in the meantime he got ill and could never fix the problem. she told joe she would sell him the trailer with the glider in it and warned him it was not flyable. some friend of their family actually delivered the trailer and sailplane to estrella sailport for joe. the trailer was 1" square steel tubing with no skin on it and very well built. joe and i covered it and still have the 1-35 in that trailer!!!...................now for the glider.......there was a logbook with the 5 or 6 entries in it showing the plane was dangerous to fly. joe said the glider was in very good condition and primed but not painted. he took out all the instruments, push rods, moving parts, etc. and hauled the rest of the glider to the stanfield dump!!!!! not too long later (maybe a year later?) joe and i were out exploring the desert near estrella looking at land. he slammed on the brakes and was freaking out because he realized it was the glider he had taken to the dump!! it was up along a fence on someone's property that obviously had a runway on it. we met the people who owned the property (we have no idea now what their names were) and they were very friendly and only stayed on the property sometimes (they had another home in the phoenix area). they told us they went to the stanfield dump 1 day to throw out their trash, saw the sailplane, and decided it would make a wonderful decoration for their property!! joe unfortunately threw away the log book when he took the sailplane to the dump which he obviously deeply regrets. he wants everyone to know that mr. jordan reid had put a huge amount of effort in that glider and the trailer also. everything was very well built and it is so sad he couldn't really enjoy it." So it appears that the builder abandoned the project due to failing health and it was not ever flown by anyone else. Andy |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
So it appears that the builder abandoned the project due to failing health and it was not ever flown by anyone else. Andy Charlie"Lite" remembers watching Jordan fly in the glider. Those wings fluttered so bad, he was surprised that Jordan never crashed it. But he always made it back to land safely. If Jordan's health had permitted, he would have fixed that problem! There was so much time and detail put into it, but it was definitely all Jordan's design and work. |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
Yesterday, I received a CD from the FAA for N71JR. Why did I order
this again? Looking it up in the FAA database further confused me. A Cessna 421C? Was this a possible tow plane? Hmmmmm. After reading the contents of the CD, my brain cells started to fire. The great wrecked Jordon Reid RGS-1 glider mystery!! The tail number was registered on March 10, 1975. It was de- registered by the estate of Jordon Reid by Frank Whiting (I think - its handwritten) on April 4, 1986 as "Totally destroyed or scrapped. Not flyable." So for all those that are still interested in the details of this glider, the contents of the CD can be found at the following URL. There is a great handwritten note by Jordon Reid in the Airworthiness file asking for a tail number assignment. See http://derosaweb.net/aviation/N71JR/ for the files. If you don't have a CD of the information on your glider, this is a great $10 deal. In my case I got details all the way back to the initial German language documentation! Order this at http://162.58.35.241/e.gov/ND/airrecordsND.asp. Enjoy, John DeRosa |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
Other details on the glider from the "Experimental/Amateur-Built
Aircraft Operating Limitations" (items number 7-9). 7. Maximum Gross Weight: 740 Normal, 983 with water Center of Gravity Limits: 84.75 to 87.5 Maximum Speed Limitations ------------ Auto or winch tow: N/A Airplane Tow: 70MPH Max. Smooth Air: 140 MPH (handwritten 126 next to this) Max. Rough Air: 140 MPH 8. These operating limitations will expire on 8/17/78 10. Flight test area per attached Phoenix Sectional |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Jan 15, 9:23*am, ContestID67 wrote:
Yesterday, I received a CD from the FAA for N71JR. *Why did I order this again? *Looking it up in the FAA database further confused me. *A Cessna 421C? *Was this a possible tow plane? *Hmmmmm. After reading the contents of the CD, my brain cells started to fire. * The great wrecked Jordon Reid RGS-1 glider mystery!! The tail number was registered on March 10, 1975. *It was de- registered by the estate of Jordon Reid by Frank Whiting (I think - its handwritten) on April 4, 1986 as "Totally destroyed or scrapped. Not flyable." So for all those that are still interested in the details of this glider, the contents of the CD can be found at the following URL. There is a great handwritten note by Jordon Reid in the Airworthiness file asking for a tail number assignment. *Seehttp://derosaweb.net/aviation/N71JR/ for the files. If you don't have a CD of the information on your glider, this is a great $10 deal. *In my case I got details all the way back to the initial German language documentation! *Order this athttp://162.58.35.241/e.gov/ND/airrecordsND.asp. Enjoy, John DeRosa That is the first time I've ever heard of anyone asking the FAA to "surprise me!" classic! |
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Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona
On Jan 15, 9:23*am, ContestID67 wrote:
Yesterday, I received a CD from the FAA for N71JR. *Why did I order this again? *Looking it up in the FAA database further confused me. *A Cessna 421C? *Was this a possible tow plane? *Hmmmmm. After reading the contents of the CD, my brain cells started to fire. * The great wrecked Jordon Reid RGS-1 glider mystery!! The tail number was registered on March 10, 1975. *It was de- registered by the estate of Jordon Reid by Frank Whiting (I think - its handwritten) on April 4, 1986 as "Totally destroyed or scrapped. Not flyable." So for all those that are still interested in the details of this glider, the contents of the CD can be found at the following URL. There is a great handwritten note by Jordon Reid in the Airworthiness file asking for a tail number assignment. *Seehttp://derosaweb.net/aviation/N71JR/ for the files. If you don't have a CD of the information on your glider, this is a great $10 deal. *In my case I got details all the way back to the initial German language documentation! *Order this athttp://162.58.35.241/e.gov/ND/airrecordsND.asp. Enjoy, John DeRosa Also if you are as "frugal" (read chaep) as me, you can get the FAA records CD for free when you stop at the FAA pavillion during the Oshkosh fly-in. Of course having to spend the $37 for admission is going to cut into your savings a bit :-) Pete |
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