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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
Time moves along... The old V-tails are no longer the status symbol...
It appears to me that the Cirrus line of aircraft has become the new "fork tailed doctor killer", along with stock broker, dentist, lawyer, etc... http://tinyurl.com/yqt94a denny |
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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
Denny,
It appears to me that the Cirrus line of aircraft has become the new "fork tailed doctor killer", along with stock broker, dentist, lawyer, etc... And the statistics you base that "appearance" in can be found where? I'd be very interested... -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
I've heard the therm "doctor killer" before, but I have no idea how it
came to be. Where did it come from? (I have an idea, but I've been wronf sooooo many times ...) |
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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
Tom, don't have statistic 'one'... What I do have is a set of MK-I
eyeballs... And I know what I see at the airports, and I know what the 'professionals' in my area are buying... Of the 3 new Cirrus in the area, each one is owned by a professional who is light in cross country, hi-perf, flying time and heavy in the wallet... One has already given up flying after pranging his Cirrus 20 for the third time in 18 months and losing his insurance... Good thing, as we had him ear marked for a black ribbon on the wall... The other two are still a work in progress... What I see is the hard charging, 40 something, professionals, buying this machine and taking it into sloppy weather, going skiing, night time mountain departures, canyon flying including NYC, and so on... Just like they used to do with the V-Tails... In sloppy weather - 200/300 and a half - we get primarily two kinds of airplanes hitting the ramp at my hangout... Pro pilot turbine stuff, and 'professionals' driving a Cirrus or a Malibu... Seems like more Cirrus in recent years... denny |
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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
On Mar 17, 10:46*am, Denny wrote:
Tom, don't have statistic 'one'... *What I do have is a set of MK-I eyeballs... And I know what I see at the airports, and I know what the 'professionals' in my area are buying... Of the 3 new Cirrus in the area, each one is owned by a professional who is light in cross country, hi-perf, flying time and heavy in the wallet... One has already given up flying after pranging his Cirrus 20 for the third time in 18 months and losing his insurance... Good thing, as we had him ear marked for a black ribbon on the wall... *The other two are still a work in progress... What I see is the hard charging, 40 something, professionals, buying this machine and taking it into sloppy weather, *going skiing, night time mountain departures, canyon flying including NYC, and so on... Just like they used to do with the V-Tails... *In sloppy weather *- 200/300 and a half - *we get primarily two kinds of airplanes hitting the ramp at my hangout... *Pro pilot turbine stuff, and 'professionals' driving a Cirrus or a Malibu... Seems like more Cirrus in recent years... denny Denny, The fault is not the airplane, it is and always has been this class of pilot. Piloting is primarily a skillset of judgement and caution, along with plane handling skills. Many who get into flying tend to think that plane handling skills are primary, when in fact they are secondary to judgement, planning and caution. Anyone who pushes their own limits too far is likely to wind up a statistic. The simple fact that Cirrus is outselling most other models means that statistically you are going to have more low time cocky types flying them, and that is what also gave the Bonanza its reputation. Arrogance, in flying, is the deadliest sin. Dean |
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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
"Denny" wrote: What I see is the hard charging, 40 something, professionals, buying this machine and taking it into sloppy weather, going skiing, night time mountain departures, canyon flying including NYC, and so on... Just like they used to do with the V-Tails... In sloppy weather - 200/300 and a half - Cirrus marketing must come in for some of the blame for this. They've always sold the idea that the airplane has a safety edge because of its avionics (not anymore) and parachute. I think new pilots with money believe it. How can such a slick, technically advanced vehicle get them into trouble? They don't have the experience to realize that it's still an airplane and it will auger in just like any of them if they fly it when or where they shouldn't. That said, I think the SR-22 is a terrific airplane, especially the model with a TAT on it. If only the wings were in the right place... -- Dan T-182T at 4R4 |
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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:16:09 -0400, Bill Watson wrote:
As time moves along, I've begun to realize that the casual trashing of Doctor/Dentist/Lawyer pilots is as distasteful and probably as wrong-headed as other kinds of stereotyping. I donno... I've more than one instructor tell me that they hate "Doctor students". -- Dallas |
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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
Bill - Yup it's probably not PC to call em like I see em, but I do -
when you have been hanging around airports as long as I have you develop an attitude... See Dean's accurate analysis... Dean - Right On... Dan - it is a nice machine... It is a fast and complex airplane- and needs a pilot of that skill level... Dallas - Me too! The facts are simple: He put his son into a single engine plane with him and made a night takeoff into a no horizon black pit, directly at a mountain... This is a no margin gamble and he rolled craps... cheers ... denny |
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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:34:46 -0700 (PDT), Denny
wrote: The facts are simple: He put his son into a single engine plane with him and made a night takeoff into a no horizon black pit, directly at a mountain... This is a no margin gamble and he rolled craps... Just like JFK Jr. Tragic. This sort of accident seems to happen all too often. I don't recall anything in the private licensing curricula about horizonless night flight hazards. Perhaps it got overlooked, and it's time the FAA took steps to include it in pilot training. It does seem to be addressed in this http://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pil...alD_Seeing.pdf. That said, it is pretty apparent that the pilot failed to plan his flight on the ground as he was taught before departing. That's a bad habit to get into. |
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The new Fork Tailed Doctor Killer
This sort of accident seems to happen all too often. *I don't recall
anything in the private licensing curricula about horizonless night flight hazards. *Perhaps it got overlooked, and it's time the FAA took steps to include it in pilot training. Actually that is covered in PPL training. In particular the "Airplane Flying Handbook" covers the many of the nighttime hazaards. It's also covered in the checkride but only orally. I wonder if Denny might enlighten us about what non-pilot profession gets his thumbs up as far as accident rates go. If the Bonanza and Cirrus are popularly referred to as "Doctor Killers", then I guess 30 year old C150s and C152s must be the "Average Working Stiff Killers". Or maybe doctors and lawyers lead the charge there too? |
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