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Bill Daniels wrote:
And I GUARANTEE it attracts young people. You can't buy a ride like that at Disneyland. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOp_EsplxDM Bill Daniels Unfortunately, the liability issue kills the whole thing before it can even get off the ground. -- Richard (remove the X to email) |
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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... Bill Daniels wrote: And I GUARANTEE it attracts young people. You can't buy a ride like that at Disneyland. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOp_EsplxDM Bill Daniels Unfortunately, the liability issue kills the whole thing before it can even get off the ground. -- Richard (remove the X to email) What liability issue? Everything is insured. This is done throughout the world as well as in the USA. The glider policy covers the occupants and the airfield policy covers the winch. In fact, the insurance is much cheaper than for an airplane. Although it is very exciting, it isn't particularly dangerous if done by well trained pilots and winch operators. Bill Daniels |
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"Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote in message
. .. "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... Bill Daniels wrote: And I GUARANTEE it attracts young people. You can't buy a ride like that at Disneyland. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOp_EsplxDM Bill Daniels Unfortunately, the liability issue kills the whole thing before it can even get off the ground. -- Richard (remove the X to email) What liability issue? Everything is insured. This is done throughout the world as well as in the USA. The glider policy covers the occupants and the airfield policy covers the winch. In fact, the insurance is much cheaper than for an airplane. Although it is very exciting, it isn't particularly dangerous if done by well trained pilots and winch operators. Bill Daniels First, let me confess that my total actual experience in a glider was a single flight in a 2 seat Blanik and was launched by aero-tow. That said, and just looking at the mechanics of the thing, I suspect that a winch is probably the safest way to launch a glider--at least in an area where you don't need the extra altitude that an aero-tow can provide. So, where applicable, and with proberly trained pilots as you pointed out, it should be an ideal way to incorporate gliders into a Young Eagles program. It seems to have all of the best elements: (1) just about as safe as it can get, (2) just about as cheap as it can get, and (3) utterly fascinating for kids from 8 to 80! It might revive chapters and entire airports. Peter |
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"Peter Dohm" wrote in message .. . "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote in message . .. "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... Bill Daniels wrote: And I GUARANTEE it attracts young people. You can't buy a ride like that at Disneyland. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOp_EsplxDM Bill Daniels Unfortunately, the liability issue kills the whole thing before it can even get off the ground. -- Richard (remove the X to email) What liability issue? Everything is insured. This is done throughout the world as well as in the USA. The glider policy covers the occupants and the airfield policy covers the winch. In fact, the insurance is much cheaper than for an airplane. Although it is very exciting, it isn't particularly dangerous if done by well trained pilots and winch operators. Bill Daniels First, let me confess that my total actual experience in a glider was a single flight in a 2 seat Blanik and was launched by aero-tow. That said, and just looking at the mechanics of the thing, I suspect that a winch is probably the safest way to launch a glider--at least in an area where you don't need the extra altitude that an aero-tow can provide. So, where applicable, and with proberly trained pilots as you pointed out, it should be an ideal way to incorporate gliders into a Young Eagles program. It seems to have all of the best elements: (1) just about as safe as it can get, (2) just about as cheap as it can get, and (3) utterly fascinating for kids from 8 to 80! It might revive chapters and entire airports. Peter The theoretical maximum height from a winch launch is half the initial rope length. (4000' runway gets 2000' AGL) Most operations achieve at least 40%. With most runways, this will be higher than auto tow. Of course, if you have unlimited room like a huge dry lake, auto tow will get you higher. Winch launches in Germany have reached 5400' AGL from a 10,000' runway. |
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Bill Daniels wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... Bill Daniels wrote: And I GUARANTEE it attracts young people. You can't buy a ride like that at Disneyland. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOp_EsplxDM Bill Daniels Unfortunately, the liability issue kills the whole thing before it can even get off the ground. -- Richard (remove the X to email) What liability issue? Everything is insured. This is done throughout the world as well as in the USA. The glider policy covers the occupants and the airfield policy covers the winch. In fact, the insurance is much cheaper than for an airplane. Although it is very exciting, it isn't particularly dangerous if done by well trained pilots and winch operators. Bill Daniels Sorry Bill, I was stlii thinking Primary Glider. I doubt you could find anyone that would underwrite a solo training glider. Dual sailplanes, with instructor - or at least qualified pilot - aboard might be another story entirely. -- Richard (remove the X to email) |
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"Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote in message
... "Peter Dohm" wrote in message .. . "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote in message . .. What liability issue? Everything is insured. This is done throughout the world as well as in the USA. The glider policy covers the occupants and the airfield policy covers the winch. In fact, the insurance is much cheaper than for an airplane. Although it is very exciting, it isn't particularly dangerous if done by well trained pilots and winch operators. Bill Daniels First, let me confess that my total actual experience in a glider was a single flight in a 2 seat Blanik and was launched by aero-tow. That said, and just looking at the mechanics of the thing, I suspect that a winch is probably the safest way to launch a glider--at least in an area where you don't need the extra altitude that an aero-tow can provide. So, where applicable, and with proberly trained pilots as you pointed out, it should be an ideal way to incorporate gliders into a Young Eagles program. It seems to have all of the best elements: (1) just about as safe as it can get, (2) just about as cheap as it can get, and (3) utterly fascinating for kids from 8 to 80! It might revive chapters and entire airports. Peter The theoretical maximum height from a winch launch is half the initial rope length. (4000' runway gets 2000' AGL) Most operations achieve at least 40%. With most runways, this will be higher than auto tow. Of course, if you have unlimited room like a huge dry lake, auto tow will get you higher. Winch launches in Germany have reached 5400' AGL from a 10,000' runway. That's actually better than I thought it would be. I was thinking of an initial rope length of 3000 to 4000 feet, and presumed a height of 1000 to 1200 feet compared to around 2000 feet for aero tow. So, it looks like winch launching could be quite competitive, even in very flat country, except for the need to release over the airport. Peter |
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:37:22 -0700, "RST Engineering"
wrote: Perhaps nothing except the basic fundamental understanding of WHAT SNIP MEANS. Veeduber What would it take to convert a primary into a basic soaring machine (35+ to 1)?. ************************************ RST Know what snip means but don't have the ability like you to know what was said back in thread without reading it current. Sure wish I had that ability and I'd know how election will come out. Big John |
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Bill Daniels wrote:
Primary gliders are a huge amount of work to fly - expecially if you use the traditional bungee launch method which is really the only safe way to fly one. Aero tow or winch launch is terrfying in a primary - although this is also done on occasion. (But rarely twice in a lifetime by the same pilot.) To fly one as it was intended, you need a huge grassy slope that is slightly shallower than the glide ratio of the primary. The bungee launch will get the glider to just above stall speed a couple of feet above the ground. If the pilot can hold the exact best L/D airspeed and keep it perfectly coordinated, he will be rewarded with a glide of a couple of hundred yards - maybe 30 seconds of airtime. If he deviates in any way from perfection, the glider will quickly settle into the grass. If you have 15 - 20 knots of wind up the slope, the instructor can run along side shouting instructions. Then everybody gets to haul it back up the slope. All this exercise will achieve about ten flights a day but it WILL get you in shape. Bill, this is a good point, except veedubber was talking about using these particular contraptions to attract young-uns. Now, I don't know how it is where you live, but here in NC we get MAYBE one good snow a year. These young-uns will bundle up till they look like balloons, then go run up a snow covered hill for a slow bumpy ride down a shallow slope. I could be wrong, but I'm just not seeing the physical exertion aspect being a big detraction for the target group. |
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