"bush flying" in the suburbs?

On 6 Dec 2004 21:07:51 -0800, wrote:

Are
there likely to be local ordinances prohibiting intentional off-airport
landings in the suburbs?

In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,
which puts the kabosh on your plan for this state. However in PA and
NY you can land anywhere you want with prior permission from the
owner. I used to know a helicopter pilot who flew Santa in and out of
a small field in town, and someone else who'd take their 180 up to NY
and land on his buddies farm.

Milage varies from state to state.
z

zatatime wrote:



In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,
which puts the kabosh on your plan for this state. However in PA and
NY you can land anywhere you want with prior permission from the
owner. I used to know a helicopter pilot who flew Santa in and out of
a small field in town, and someone else who'd take their 180 up to NY
and land on his buddies farm.

Around here we spend more time in the dirt than on pavement. Are you
saying that in NJ if I own some acerage I can't use it to land on
without the state giving me some kind of approval?

"zatatime" wrote in message
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In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,. . .

Define "approved", sil vous plait.

Rich S.

"Rich S." wrote in message
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"zatatime" wrote in message
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In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,. . .

Define "approved", sil vous plait.

Rich S.


NJ Statues


6:1-2. Definitions
As used in this chapter:

" Aircraft " means any contrivance invented, used or designed for
navigation or flight in the air except a parachute or other contrivance
designed for such navigation but used primarily as safety equipment.

"Airman" means any person who engages in the navigation or direction
of aircraft while under way.

"Airport" means any locality, either of land or water, which is used
for the landing or taking off of aircraft and which meets the requirements
for a rating by the United States department of commerce.

"Commission" means the state aviation commission.

"Director" means the state director of aviation.

"Landing field" means any locality, either of land or water, which is
used for the landing or taking off of aircraft and which does not meet the
requirements for a rating by the United States department of commerce.

6:1-15. Licensing of airports and landing fields
No owner or operator of any airport or landing field shall permit the
owner or pilot of any aircraft to use such airport or landing field for
landing or taking off while engaged in carrying passengers for hire or
reward or instructing students for hire or reward, unless such owner or
operator of the airport or landing field has been granted a license or
temporary letter of authority from the commission for such operation.

No owner or pilot of aircraft shall carry any passengers for hire or
reward from any airport or landing field in this state, unless such airport
or landing field has been granted a license or temporary letter of
authority from the commission for the type of operation to be engaged in.


6:1-43. Use of emergency facility or facility operated exclusively by and
for government; license for aeronautical activity; fixed base operation
It shall be unlawful, except as provided for by the provisions of this
chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted pursuant to this
chapter, to operate, use, or cause to be operated or used any avigation
facility intended to accommodate the operation, take-off, or landing of
aircraft , except in the case of emergency or at avigation facilities owned
and operated exclusively by and for the Government of the United States. No
aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land
or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and
declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation
purposes. It shall be further unlawful to operate or allow to be operated
without proper license any aeronautical activity-fixed base operation that
is required to be licensed by the provisions of this chapter or the rules,
regulations and orders issued pursuant to this chapter in the interests of
the public health, safety and welfare.

6:1-44. Licenses; aviation facilities and temporary landing areas
The commissioner shall provide for the licensing of airports, landing
strips, or other avigation facilities and temporary landing areas by rules,
regulations and orders adequate to protect the public health and safety and
the safety of those participating in aeronautical activities; provided,
however, that the continued use and operation of airports, landing strips,
and other avigation facilities, in use and operation on the effective date
of this chapter, for which an application for a license shall have been
filed within the time fixed by the commissioner, shall be permitted,
pending the granting or rejection of such applications; and provided
further, that the application for a license for any airport, landing strip,
or other avigation facility in use and operation on the effective date of
this chapter shall be granted, unless the commissioner shall find that such
airports, landing strips, or other avigation facilities are not
constructed, equipped and operated in accordance with the standards and
requirements fixed by the rules, regulations and orders of the
commissioner. Whenever the commissioner or the Director of Aeronautics
shall reject any application for license under the provisions of this
section, he shall state in writing the reasons for such rejection.

The commissioner may further determine it necessary and provide for the
licensing of specific aeronautical activities, fixed base operations, or
persons engaged in specific types of aeronautical activities, or operations
by rules, regulations and orders adequate to protect the public health,
safety and welfare and the safety of those participating in aeronautics.

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:32:57 -0600, "Gig Giacona"
wrote:

6:1-43 No
aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land
or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and
declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation
purposes.


Thanks.
z

So all this bitching going on the last few years over GA losing its
rights out East and all along this was on the books? Cry me a river.




zatatime wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:32:57 -0600, "Gig Giacona"
wrote:


6:1-43 No
aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land
or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and
declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation
purposes.



Thanks.
z

zatatime wrote:

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:32:57 -0600, "Gig Giacona"
wrote:

6:1-43 No
aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land
or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and
declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation
purposes.

You've cut out the part that says this applies only to fields "operated
exclusively by and for government".

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

Gig Giacona wrote:
"Rich S." wrote in message
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"zatatime" wrote in message
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In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing
facility,. . .

Define "approved", sil vous plait.

Rich S.


NJ Statues

["No, no, no, no, and no" snipped]

How depressing. Nice that they define aircraft and airman, but not
avigation.

How are local anti-aviation laws enforced against out-of-state pilots?
(Besides calling out the Air Force....) Does the FAA honor states'
requests to punish errant pilots? It seems like it would be very easy
for a non-local pilot to be unaware of local law, and of course
residents are not generally going to know about state aviation law
either.

Gig Giacona wrote:
"Rich S." wrote in message
...
"zatatime" wrote in message
...

In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing
facility,. . .

Define "approved", sil vous plait.

Rich S.


NJ Statues

["No, no, no, no, and no" snipped]

How depressing. Nice that they define aircraft and airman, but not
avigation.

How are local anti-aviation laws enforced against out-of-state pilots?
(Besides calling out the Air Force....) Does the FAA honor states'
requests to punish errant pilots? It seems like it would be very easy
for a non-local pilot to be unaware of local law, and of course
residents are not generally going to know about state aviation law
either.

A 'proper license' should not be too hard to come by. How do you get one?