A380 Landing in LAX

Anyone notice what seemed to me to be rather large deflections of the
rudder during landing at LAX the other day? The video is on CNN --
can't provide direct link so go to CNN video site and search for
"Gigantic jet arrives in U.S.".

Was there a significant crosswind that morning? On touchdown, the A380
appears to turn a bit and then recover. I believe the 380 gear is
designed to land somewhat crabbed on a pivot and then turn straight.

Comments?

Bob

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Bob Clough wrote:
Anyone notice what seemed to me to be rather large deflections of the
rudder during landing at LAX the other day? The video is on CNN --
can't provide direct link so go to CNN video site and search for
"Gigantic jet arrives in U.S.".

Was there a significant crosswind that morning? On touchdown, the A380
appears to turn a bit and then recover. I believe the 380 gear is
designed to land somewhat crabbed on a pivot and then turn straight.

Nope. No real crosswinds at all. the video on CBS2.com (CBS LA
Affiliate) has ATC comms on it, and when MSN101 checked in, Tower
reported winds 280 at 4. So for all intents, winds were calm. They
definitely turned to recover it, and it was dramatic on the CBS2 video.
I think they just missed the runway centerline and corrected to get
back onto that. Just with the size of that beast, any correction like
that is going to look drastic.

Here's the URL to the video:



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A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:
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Bob Clough wrote:

Anyone notice what seemed to me to be rather large deflections of the
rudder during landing at LAX the other day? The video is on CNN --
can't provide direct link so go to CNN video site and search for
"Gigantic jet arrives in U.S.".

Was there a significant crosswind that morning? On touchdown, the A380
appears to turn a bit and then recover. I believe the 380 gear is
designed to land somewhat crabbed on a pivot and then turn straight.


Nope. No real crosswinds at all. the video on CBS2.com (CBS LA
Affiliate) has ATC comms on it, and when MSN101 checked in, Tower
reported winds 280 at 4. So for all intents, winds were calm. They
definitely turned to recover it, and it was dramatic on the CBS2 video.
I think they just missed the runway centerline and corrected to get
back onto that. Just with the size of that beast, any correction like
that is going to look drastic.

Here's the URL to the video:



There was some speculation on pprune that they
may have applied reverse thrust before the nose
was firmly planted. If that was the case, a
little asymmetry with the reverse thrust coming
on could cause the yaw.

Jim Stewart writes:

There was some speculation on pprune that they
may have applied reverse thrust before the nose
was firmly planted. If that was the case, a
little asymmetry with the reverse thrust coming
on could cause the yaw.

If that's the way landings take place with the best A380 pilots around in the
cockpit, what will happen when regular pilots start to fly it? That was an
amazingly clumsy and rough landing, especially given that there was no obvious
reason for it (heavy crosswinds or whatever).

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Jim Stewart writes:

There was some speculation on pprune that they
may have applied reverse thrust before the nose
was firmly planted. If that was the case, a
little asymmetry with the reverse thrust coming
on could cause the yaw.

If that's the way landings take place with the best A380 pilots around
in the cockpit, what will happen when regular pilots start to fly it?
That was an amazingly clumsy and rough landing, especially given that
there was no obvious reason for it (heavy crosswinds or whatever).

So now you feel sufficiently knowledgable to question test pilots..

Asshole.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Stewart writes:


There was some speculation on pprune that they
may have applied reverse thrust before the nose
was firmly planted. If that was the case, a
little asymmetry with the reverse thrust coming
on could cause the yaw.


If that's the way landings take place with the best A380 pilots around in the
cockpit, what will happen when regular pilots start to fly it? That was an
amazingly clumsy and rough landing, especially given that there was no obvious
reason for it (heavy crosswinds or whatever).

It's only your assumption that it was a clumsy
landing.

I'm of the opinion that they did what they did
to get it firmly planted and stopped as quickly
as possible. And that's a safe landing, especially
for such a high value plane. A little roughness
weighed against the consequences of a overshoot
and nosegear collapse is a good tradeoff.

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Jim Stewart wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Stewart writes:


There was some speculation on pprune that they
may have applied reverse thrust before the nose
was firmly planted. If that was the case, a
little asymmetry with the reverse thrust coming
on could cause the yaw.


If that's the way landings take place with the best A380 pilots around in the
cockpit, what will happen when regular pilots start to fly it? That was an
amazingly clumsy and rough landing, especially given that there was no obvious
reason for it (heavy crosswinds or whatever).

It's only your assumption that it was a clumsy
landing.

I'm of the opinion that they did what they did
to get it firmly planted and stopped as quickly
as possible. And that's a safe landing, especially
for such a high value plane. A little roughness
weighed against the consequences of a overshoot
and nosegear collapse is a good tradeoff.

Agreed. I also should point out that the A380 was able to make
the Z highspeed, and not need the 90 that was further down at full
length. So it really wasn't a question of coming in too fast or hot,
either.

I wonder.. with 24R being one of main arrival runways, and it
also having the reverse highspeed Y (highspeed for 6L), I wonder how fast
it could turn that corner to exit the runway. It would be a sharp tight
turn, but one that could be tested, especially since there are more of
those off of 25L, and they will also be landing on the south side too.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Jim Stewart writes:

There was some speculation on pprune that they
may have applied reverse thrust before the nose
was firmly planted. If that was the case, a
little asymmetry with the reverse thrust coming
on could cause the yaw.

If that's the way landings take place with the best A380 pilots around in
the
cockpit, what will happen when regular pilots start to fly it? That was
an
amazingly clumsy and rough landing, especially given that there was no
obvious
reason for it (heavy crosswinds or whatever).


Says the idiot that has never landed a real plane EVER.

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DW

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

So now you feel sufficiently knowledgable to question test pilots.

When they land that poorly, I'll question them no matter why type of pilot
they are supposed to be. The whole world was watching, and the pilot screwed
up (or the aircraft has a problem).

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Jim Stewart writes:

It's only your assumption that it was a clumsy
landing.

I'm of the opinion that they did what they did
to get it firmly planted and stopped as quickly
as possible. And that's a safe landing, especially
for such a high value plane. A little roughness
weighed against the consequences of a overshoot
and nosegear collapse is a good tradeoff.

Why isn't this necessary with a 747?

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