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Old January 17th 04, 07:44 PM
Mike
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Remember the Soviet "Blackjack" bomber that the U.S.S.R. started to
deploy in the late 1980s?

Wasn't this plane a virtual copy of the American B-1 in many ways?

What about it's range? Could the BlackJack bomber have taken off in
the Soviet Union and bombed the United States?

Or was it closer to a medium-range bomber like the "Backfire"?
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Old January 17th 04, 08:42 PM
Ken Duffey
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Mike wrote:

Remember the Soviet "Blackjack" bomber that the U.S.S.R. started to
deploy in the late 1980s?


First flight 18 December 1981. First production flight 10 October 1984.
Operational with 184th GvTBAP at Priluki, Ukraine, 17 April 1987.

Currently approx 15 operational at Engels, Russia.

Wasn't this plane a virtual copy of the American B-1 in many ways?


Same general shape, very much larger and supersonic. Max take-off weight
606,260lb - (B-1B - 477,000lb).

Max speed 1,242mph - (B-1B 789mph).

What about it's range? Could the BlackJack bomber have taken off in
the Soviet Union and bombed the United States?


Range, loaded on internal fuel - 7,640 miles (B-1B - 3,444 miles)
Equipped for IFR.

Or was it closer to a medium-range bomber like the "Backfire"?


No

http://mysite.freeserve.com/aircraft_pages/tu-160.html

For a size comparison - scroll down about halfway at :-
http://www.flankerman.fsnet.co.uk/modl_tu160.html

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Old January 18th 04, 12:29 AM
Henry J. Cobb
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(Mike) wrote in message . com...
Remember the Soviet "Blackjack" bomber that the U.S.S.R. started to
deploy in the late 1980s?

Wasn't this plane a virtual copy of the American B-1 in many ways?


http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft...60/index.shtml
Though the Tu-160 bears a remarkable resemblance to the American B-1
bomber, the Blackjack is far larger, being the world's largest combat
aircraft. The cockpit contains joysticks similar to those in fighters,
but the Tu-160 does not have any electronic Heads-Up-Displays (HUDs)
like most western aircraft.

What about it's range? Could the BlackJack bomber have taken off in
the Soviet Union and bombed the United States?


http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/tu-160.htm
Range
14.000 km (with a load of 9.000kg)
10.500 km (with a load of 40.000 kg)

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/tu160/
The Tu-16 is capable of carrying the strategic cruise missile Kh-55MS,
which is known in the West by the NATO designation and codename AS-15
Kent.
....
The maximum range is 3,000km, and it is armed with a 200-kiloton
nuclear warhead.

-HJC
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Old January 18th 04, 03:42 AM
Scott Ferrin
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:42:21 +0000, Ken Duffey
wrote:

Mike wrote:

Remember the Soviet "Blackjack" bomber that the U.S.S.R. started to
deploy in the late 1980s?


First flight 18 December 1981. First production flight 10 October 1984.
Operational with 184th GvTBAP at Priluki, Ukraine, 17 April 1987.

Currently approx 15 operational at Engels, Russia.

Wasn't this plane a virtual copy of the American B-1 in many ways?


Same general shape, very much larger and supersonic. Max take-off weight
606,260lb - (B-1B - 477,000lb).

Max speed 1,242mph - (B-1B 789mph).

What about it's range? Could the BlackJack bomber have taken off in
the Soviet Union and bombed the United States?


Range, loaded on internal fuel - 7,640 miles (B-1B - 3,444 miles)
Equipped for IFR.



Those are brochure numbers for the Blackjack. In the real world (at
least as far as FAI records go) the B-1 has the Blackjack beat in the
paylaod/range department.
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Old January 18th 04, 09:17 AM
Michael Petukhov
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Scott Ferrin wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:42:21 +0000, Ken Duffey
wrote:

Mike wrote:

Remember the Soviet "Blackjack" bomber that the U.S.S.R. started to
deploy in the late 1980s?


First flight 18 December 1981. First production flight 10 October 1984.
Operational with 184th GvTBAP at Priluki, Ukraine, 17 April 1987.

Currently approx 15 operational at Engels, Russia.

Wasn't this plane a virtual copy of the American B-1 in many ways?


Same general shape, very much larger and supersonic. Max take-off weight
606,260lb - (B-1B - 477,000lb).

Max speed 1,242mph - (B-1B 789mph).

What about it's range? Could the BlackJack bomber have taken off in
the Soviet Union and bombed the United States?


Range, loaded on internal fuel - 7,640 miles (B-1B - 3,444 miles)
Equipped for IFR.



Those are brochure numbers for the Blackjack.


How about B1 are the cited numbers for B1 are brochure numbers
as well?

In the real world (at
least as far as FAI records go) the B-1 has the Blackjack beat in the
paylaod/range department.


In its department where B1 is the only one amybe. Tu160
is much bigger?much faster and longer lange. Anyway
do you have any doubts about the question asked
"Could Blackjack bombers reach USA?"

Michael
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Old January 18th 04, 10:26 AM
TJ
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"Yossarian"

How interesting you should mention it. See
for today's BBC article
on the B1-ski.

Pondering,
Yossarian


"Mr Mikhaylov said the long-range bombers would take part in joint
Russian-US exercises over the North Atlantic in 2004. "

Michael must be seething!

TJ


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Old January 18th 04, 10:49 AM
TJ
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robert arndt wrote:

3 ex-Ukrainian aircraft sold to US as satellite
launchers in 1999..


Some dodgy info there in IDMA 2002/3. It was projected but in the end this
did not take place. It should have been plainly obvious to IDMA researchers
that the sale/project did not go ahead.

TJ


 




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