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"Pechs1" wrote in message ... John- That pretty much sums it up (although IME the so-called super fox was not so super when it was just man y mano). Exactly where it excelled ... humbling the Gen 4 jets in 1v1. BRBR I agree-Don't know who said the F+ was so 'super' but it certainly was. Flaps at 1/2, slats out, the ability to point and harass in the 100 kt range was impressive. Yep. They took the T-45 out to Fallon and did a little training with it. It's a dog clean (pitch buck just when it ought to be digging in to turn), but half flaps are awesome. Climbing turns in the 100 - 110 range, turn rates around 18-20/sec ... troublesome for the guys that like to throw out the anchor. R / John |
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"John Carrier" wrote in message ... SNIP I never lost a 1v1 to an A-4 -- ever. Can't say the same about some others. I always approach a "Never" statement from a fellow fighter pilot with a certain level of skepticism. OTOH, I did a College Dart in an F-4 and "never" got shot by an F-106 in ten sorties (TACTS data). But then again, there was this ONE guy .... (and then there were the A-4's the USAF invited to augment our 4 Phantoms ... they switched sides on day two much to our chagrin). Notice I didn't say "I've never been shot" nor did I say I've never lost a 1v1 -- rather, I never lost a 1v1 to an A-4. Lost to each of the 'teens' at one time or another. As you point out, that's how one learns. (In addition, I also learned 1v1 from a true master of the art before I ever got to try my hand against dissimilar types). My first 1v1 dissimilar sortie was against USAF AT-38, second against Canadian F-5A, third against VF-126 A-4F (circa 1984, P-8), fourth, a Miramar F-14A, and fifth a USAF Eagle. After that, far too many to remember. |
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Frijoles- My first 1v1 dissimilar sortie
was against USAF AT-38, second against Canadian F-5A, third against VF-126 A-4F (circa 1984, P-8 BRBR Your third ever 1v1 against a VF-126 A-4E/F...and you won? Must have been such that the A-4 was 'hands tied' somehow via the brief. If it's a visual setup, like a mile abeam, 350 kts, tough to beat the 'Dog'...or maybe it was Donk flyin?? P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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As for anybody sayin' "I never lost to a (put A/C here)", I got spanked twice,
in engagements that are embarrassing. Once against Wigs Ludwig, he in a F-4S, me in a Turkey(while in VX-4). One was me(new VF-126 XO) in a A-4F+, Hoops Stewart, my main IUT instructor, in a TA-4(P-6 engine), with Tumor(our RIO) in the trunk. Both of these guys, who's aviation skills are legendary, beat me up pretty good. I 'assumed' I had the superior A/C, and on paper, I did. Got beat handily. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:48:15 GMT, Woody Beal
wrote: On 12/23/04 8:38, in article , "Pechs1" wrote: Frijoles- My first 1v1 dissimilar sortie was against USAF AT-38, second against Canadian F-5A, third against VF-126 A-4F (circa 1984, P-8 BRBR That's a good training program. These days most dudes get their first 1v1 dissimilar as a Hornet vs. Hornet. Isn't there an oxymoron embedded in that statement? Is it done by loading a different FCS software? Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org |
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Isn't there an oxymoron embedded in that statement? Is it done by
loading a different FCS software? Nope. One is standard color, the other in Adversary cammo. =)) _____________ José Herculano |
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AHHHHH good 'ole VC/VFC-12 i was a plane captian and avionic's tech from '85
to '88 ISTR our pilots could generally get a win in 1v1 esp. if flying the A-4F's we had tho they really didnt like flying againest S-3's of all things as they put it "they could turn inside their own a**holes esp down low "Elmshoot" wrote in message ... Hoops Stewart, my main IUT instructor, in a TA-4(P-6 engine), with Tumor(our RIO) in the trunk. I know the Traning command put some more restrictions on us like no Flaps during the fight, so it was far game to throw them out in the fleet? Also I remember that NATOPS prohibited aero braking after landing but when I got to VC-12 OMARS it was considered normal to Aero Brake after touchdown I was shocked the first time it happened. It was my first experience flying a MAX weight A-4 as well. Two full drops and an RMK-31 tow reel pod on the centerline. The brief was if anything happened to the engine below 1000' automatic eject. Up to 5K you get one attempt to figure out and do something then step out. What a PIG!!! Sparky |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:11 -0000, "José Herculano"
wrote: Isn't there an oxymoron embedded in that statement? Is it done by loading a different FCS software? Nope. One is standard color, the other in Adversary cammo. =)) _____________ José Herculano Now that you've raised the curtain, I begin to see all sorts of dissimilarity opportunities in 1-v-1 with the same type of aircraft: 1.) Could be a male versus a female. 2.) Could be operational vs a nugget. 3.) Could be instructor vs a student. 4.) Could be one with live ordnance and one without. 5.) Could be from different squadrons. 6.) Could be one single vs one married. There's no limit to the same aircraft dissimilar opportunities when operating under budget constraints. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org |
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