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In article , Tom Sixkiller wrote:
Immigration is a priviledge, not a right. ....which was precisely what I was saying. The country you have right of abode in is chosen merely by where you were born; something you have no choice over. If you choose to live somewhere else, regardless of which country 'somewhere else' happens to be, it usually requires considerable effort to achieve this. If you happen to have citizenship of a country which is nice to live in, it's not just a right, it's also a privilege (that most of the rest of the world doesn't get to enjoy). As someone else said, rights and privileges are not mutually exclusive. Personally, I learned at a very young age that I was very lucky to be born in Britain. Yet you left and are trying to stay here, right? No. The first line of my signature shows I live in British territory. I lived in the US for a few years, but I never pursued permanent residency, so you are incorrect on both counts. I have no plans to live in the US again in the forseeable future. Does that mean I don't like the US? NO! Not at all! I enjoy visiting the US, I only returned from a trip to Houston (paid for out of my own pocket, not a company trip) last week, and I'll probably go again this year after the heat of summer has died down. I might have the right of abode where I live now. But I feel enormously privileged to have this right of abode. It's not just about having good cellular service, a car, regular flying and high speed Internet access (not to mention a good cup of hot tea and fabulous beer), but also living in a place of outstanding natural beauty as well as having my basic human needs met (including freedom of expression and freedom of religion or lack thereof). Much of the world's population doesn't have their basic human needs properly met. I am extremely glad I wasn't born somwhere like North Korea. I hope you are too. -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news9T1c.42536$ko6.377510@attbi_s02... You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I regard the Republicans as fiscally Conservative. Perhaps they once were -- but they sure aren't anymore. Which is why we desperately need a third party in this country. Hell, even the Democrats were once fiscally conservative. A fiscally conservative political party, without all the religious baggage, would win in every precinct. If that's so why don't Libertarian candidates win? |
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"Jim Weir" wrote in message ... Those are called Democrats with a brain, Jay. And yes, I am aware that we are a vanishing breed. Not vanishing, extinct. ..Harry S. was the last decent one in the Big House. Grover Cleveland was the last decent Democrat in the White House. |
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:27:12 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote in Message-Id: : Just remember: privileges can be revoked, whether it's flying an aircraft, driving a car or ... Actually, the US government has taken the position that using our national airspace is a right. From the Federal Aviation Act of 1958: Sec. 40103. Sovereignty and use of airspace (a) Sovereignty and Public Right of Transit. - (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States. (2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. To further that right, the Secretary of Transportation shall consult with the Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board established under section 502 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. 792) before prescribing a regulation or issuing an order or procedure that will have a significant impact on the accessibility of commercial airports or commercial air transportation for handicapped individuals. It is my understanding that driving has been recently held by the courts to be a right. |
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Larry Dighera wrote: It is my understanding that driving has been recently held by the courts to be a right. Really! State or Federal? George Patterson Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would not yield to the tongue. |
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"Dylan Smith" wrote in message ... In article , Tom Sixkiller wrote: Immigration is a priviledge, not a right. ...which was precisely what I was saying. The country you have right of abode in is chosen merely by where you were born; something you have no choice over. If you choose to live somewhere else, regardless of which country 'somewhere else' happens to be, it usually requires considerable effort to achieve this. Actually, my statement about immigration is not really correct. A proper definition of human (individual) rights would say you have the right to live wherever you choose (except on property already owned), but that is a whole different thread in itself. IOW, I support free& open immigration. I didn't want to get involved in a lengthy, off-topic thread....but the devil made me do it. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news9T1c.42536$ko6.377510@attbi_s02... You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I regard the Republicans as fiscally Conservative. Perhaps they once were -- but they sure aren't anymore. Which is why we desperately need a third party in this country. Hell, even the Democrats were once fiscally conservative. When was ANY party fiscally conservative after about 1820? A fiscally conservative political party, without all the religious baggage, would win in every precinct. If that's so why don't Libertarian candidates win? Because they're not "mainstream", I guess. Of course, if libertarians were mainstream, we wouldn't have these problems in the first place, regardless of who was in power. Voters love spending other people's money just as much as politicians do. That's why they voted for them in the first place. |
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On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:27:47 GMT, "John T" wrote in
Message-Id: om: Now, an argument can be made that emplacing these TFR's - and having to advertise them ahead of time - actually *decreases* his security since his position and time of arrival is made known ahead of time. If nobody knows when he is to arrive or at what airport, the "Bad Guys" would have a harder time getting to him, wouldn't they? Security by obscurity isn't. |
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:41:43 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote in Message-Id: : Larry Dighera wrote: It is my understanding that driving has been recently held by the courts to be a right. Really! State or Federal? If I recall correctly, it was Denny O'Connor who mentioned it in this newsgroup many months ago. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
Security by obscurity isn't. That's not necessarily true, but I'm curious why you'd say that when you seemed to be making the argument that you didn't think Presidential TFR's are warranted. Are you now saying they are? -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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