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Matt Barrow wrote:


Yep, looks like about half the "likely voters" feel that way.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1376

And what's real bad for Hillary is that the groups that likes her
the least is the group that votes the most and the group that is
the most likely to vote for her is the group that votes the least.
i.e.: single females, particularly single moms.

Well actually I was referring to the age groups polled.

Okay...I gave that point some expansion.

I heard a few months back that because of his stint on L&O, Fred
Thompson has a HUGH edge on any of the other candidates, particularly
Shrillary who he beats like 4:1.

I saw that as well but it looks like some of the luster has come off Mr.
Thompson's run. I had high hopes for him and have donated to his campaign
but I'm concerned his heart really isn't in it.

"Matt Barrow" wrote

I heard a few months back that because of his stint on L&O, Fred Thompson
has a HUGH edge

L&O ?
--
Jim in NC

Recently, Morgans posted:

"Matt Barrow" wrote

I heard a few months back that because of his stint on L&O, Fred
Thompson has a HUGH edge

L&O ?

"Law and Order"

Neil

I heard a few months back that because of his stint on L&O, Fred
Thompson has a HUGH edge

L&O ?

"Law and Order"

Good show, but that sure doesn't make him a better candidate, IMHO.

It's scary how our political system works. Personally, the more I
see of it, the more I understand and appreciate the Electoral College.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:42:02 -0700, "NW_Pilot"
wrote in
:


Yea, it's called the North American Union...

The first I heard of this was from the mouth of Vincente Fox:

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/category/resistance/
Vicente Fox admits to wanting a North American Union on Jon
Stewart Show

Stewart’s applauding audience believes flooding the US with
illegals, surrendering our sovereignty to Mexico (and vice-versa)
and ripping up the US constitution is a good idea apparently
[video]



Below is some information about this issue:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...American_Union
North American Union
From SourceWatch
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The "plan to create" a North American Union in 2010 as a regional
government—comprising a collective government for the United
States, Canada, and Mexico—is "directly stated only" in the May
2005 task force report Building a North American Community
published by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Jerome Corsi
wrote June 26, 2006.

The "blueprint" which President George W. Bush is following to
create a North American Union was "laid out" in the May 2005
report, Corsi wrote May 19, 2006. "The CFR report connects the
dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal
immigration and the drive to create the North American Union."

Bush is "pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American
Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and
Canada," which, Corsi wrote, is "the hidden agenda behind the Bush
administration's true open borders policy."

The plan, Corsi wrote, is "contained" in the Security and
Prosperity Partnership of North America, "little noticed" by the
mainstream media when President Bush, Mexico's President Vicente
Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "created it" March
23, 2005, in a summit held at Waco, Texas.

A North American Union is being created "through a process of
governmental regulations" and without ever "having to bring the
issue before the American people for a clear referendum or vote,"
Corsi wrote May 24, 2006.

Contents [hide]
1 Partnership for Prosperity
2 SPP Working Groups
3 NAFTA Super-Highways
4 Permanent Tribunal
5 Biometric Border Pass
6 North American Emergency Management
7 Bilateral and Trilateral Partnerships and Agreements
8 U.S. Legislation & Executive Orders
9 Testimony, Publications and Reports
10 News Releases
10.1 2001
10.2 2002
10.3 2003
10.4 2004
10.5 2005
10.6 2006
11 Published Works
12 External Links
12.1 General Information
12.2 Websites
12.3 Articles & Commentary
12.3.1 Series of Articles
12.3.2 1990-1999
12.3.3 2000-2004
12.3.4 2005
12.3.5 2006
12.3.6 2007
13 Related SourceWatch Resources
...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8
YouTube - NAFTA Superhighway

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http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm
The NAFTA Superhighway

October 30, 2006

By now many Texans have heard about the proposed “NAFTA
Superhighway,” which is also referred to as the trans-Texas
corridor. What you may not know is the extent to which plans for
such a superhighway are moving forward without congressional
oversight or media attention.

This superhighway would connect Mexico, the United States, and
Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up
through Kansas City. Offshoots would connect the main artery to
the west coast, Florida, and northeast. Proponents envision a
ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with
freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and
natural gas pipelines running alongside.

This will require coordinated federal and state eminent domain
actions on an unprecedented scale, as literally millions of people
and businesses could be displaced. The loss of whole communities
is almost certain, as planners cannot wind the highway around
every quaint town, historic building, or senior citizen apartment
for thousands of miles.

Governor Perry is a supporter of the superhighway project, and
Congress has provided small amounts of money to study the
proposal. Since this money was just one item in an enormous
transportation appropriations bill, however, most members of
Congress were not aware of it.

The proposed highway is part of a broader plan advanced by a
quasi-government organization called the “Security and Prosperity
Partnership of North America,” or SPP.

The SPP was first launched in 2005 by the heads of state of
Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco.

The SPP was not created by a treaty between the nations involved,
nor was Congress involved in any way. Instead, the SPP is an
unholy alliance of foreign consortiums and officials from several
governments. One principal player is a Spanish construction
company, which plans to build the highway and operate it as a toll
road. But don’t be fooled: the superhighway proposal is not the
result of free market demand, but rather an extension of
government-managed trade schemes like NAFTA that benefit
politically-connected interests.

The real issue is national sovereignty. Once again, decisions
that affect millions of Americans are not being made by those
Americans themselves, or even by their elected representatives in
Congress. Instead, a handful of elites use their government
connections to bypass national legislatures and ignore our
Constitution-- which expressly grants Congress the sole authority
to regulate international trade.

The ultimate goal is not simply a superhighway, but an integrated
North American Union--complete with a currency, a cross-national
bureaucracy, and virtually borderless travel within the Union.
Like the European Union, a North American Union would represent
another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty
altogether.

A new resolution, introduced by Representative Virgil Goode of
Virginia, expresses the sense of Congress that the United States
should not engage in the construction of a NAFTA superhighway, or
enter into any agreement that advances the concept of a North
American Union. I wholeheartedly support this legislation, and
predict that the superhighway will become a sleeper issue in the
2008 election.

Any movement toward a North American Union diminishes the ability
of average Americans to influence the laws under which they must
live. The SPP agreement, including the plan for a major
transnational superhighway through Texas, is moving forward
without congressional oversight-- and that is an outrage. The
administration needs a strong message from Congress that the
American people will not tolerate backroom deals that threaten our
sovereignty.

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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17142

What appears to be going on within SPP.gov is not simply a
dialogue, but a massive and on-going re-writing of U.S.
administrative law to “integrate” or “harmonize” our
administrative law with the corresponding administrative law of
Mexico and Canada. A wide range of public policy areas are
involved in the SPP re-write of U.S. administrative law, ranging
from e-commerce, through air travel, steel policy, textile policy,
energy policy, environmental issues, trusted trader programs,
trusted traveler programs and biometric cards issued to citizens
of the three countries. The resulting “trilateral agreements” are
being achieved by SPP all without specific disclosure to the U.S.
public or direct oversight examination by Congress.

Charges of this magnitude demand we consider the possibility that
an executive branch coup d’etat is underway to create a new
regional government below the radar of media, public, or
congressional understanding or scrutiny. ...
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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/hayes
article | posted August 9, 2007 (August 27, 2007 issue)
The NAFTA Superhighway
Christopher Hayes

When completed, the highway will run from Mexico City to Toronto,
slicing through the heartland like a dagger sunk into a heifer at
the loins and pulled clean to the throat. It will be four football
fields wide, an expansive gully of concrete, noise and exhaust,
swelled with cars, trucks, trains and pipelines carrying water,
wires and God knows what else. Through towns large and small it
will run, plowing under family farms, subdevelopments, acres of
wilderness. Equipped with high-tech electronic customs monitors,
freight from China, offloaded into nonunionized Mexican ports,
will travel north, crossing the border with nary a speed bump,
bound for Kansas City, where the cheap goods manufactured in
booming Far East factories will embark on the final leg of their
journey into the nation's Wal-Marts.

And this NAFTA Superhighway, as it is called, is just the
beginning, the first stage of a long, silent coup aimed at
supplanting the sovereign United States with a multinational North
American Union.

Even as this plot unfolds in slow motion, the mainstream media are
silent; politicians are in denial. Yet word is getting out. Like
samizdat, info about the highway has circulated in niche media
platforms old and new, on right-wing websites like WorldNetDaily,
in the pages of low-circulation magazines like the John Birch
Society's The New American and increasingly on the letters to the
editor page of local newspapers.
mo
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http://www.newswithviews.com/DeWeese/tom63.htm
The truth is, on March 23, 2005, President Bush met at his ranch
in Crawford, Texas with Vicente Fox and Paul Martin (then PM of
Canada) in what they called a Summit. The three heads of state
then drove to Baylor University in Waco, where they issued a press
release announcing their signing of an agreement to form the
Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP).

This year, on March 31, 2006, Bush. Fox and new Canadian PM,
Stephen Harper met in Cancun, Mexico. This time their press
release celebrated what they called the first anniversary of the
SPP.

The use of the word “dialog” is a carefully selected euphemism
designed to make the SPP sound like an innocent discussion among
friends. To admit that it is anything more would force the
government to provide Constitutional justification for its
actions.

Moreover, the SPP says it won’t change our court system or
legislative process and that it respects the sovereignty of each
nation. And, says the SPP Myths and Facts document, it strongly
rejects the idea that it is creating a European Union-like
structure.

That defense is almost laughable in light of the massive
activity-taking place in the SPP office located in the Commerce
Department.

First one must know that the European Union was also originally
sold to the nations on the European continent as simply a trade
and security framework. The idea, said proponents, was to create
an economic structure to allow a combined European economy to
compete with the United States and other economic powerhouses.
Only a few years later nations were told they needed a common
currency to provide seamless trade. At the same time, the working
groups organizing the EU policy began to morph into what today has
become a European Union parliament, which now is working to create
a means of taxation, regulation of commerce and a court system.

Now, in offices buried in the bureaucratic structures of the
United States, Canada and Mexico, twenty “working groups” are hard
at work writing policy initiatives for the SPP, covering a wide
range of issues including, the manufacture and movement of goods
across the borders of the three North American nations: creating a
common energy policy and common environmental regulations over the
three nations; regulating E-commerce and information
communications and technologies; establishing financial services,
including loan policy and foreign aid policy; overseeing business
facilitation, creating the rules under which businesses will
operate in the three nations; establishing food and agriculture
policy; and overseeing transportation and health policy.

These policy directives will infringe on every aspect of our
lives. Can anyone seriously accept the Administration’s
explanation that nothing really important is going on here? That
this is only a friendly discussion taking place? That nothing will
change in the way our government operates? If that were so, then
why are we doing it? Why are so much time, money and energy being
taken up in an effort that means nothing? The answer, of course,
is that lots is going on.

It’s no accident that the SPP is working out of the NAFTA office
of the Department of Commerce. The North American Free Trade
Agreement (NAFTA) was the precursor to the Security and Prosperity
Partnership. According to investigative journalist, Jerome Corsi,
a key part of the SPP plan is to expand the NAFTA tribunals into a
North American Union court system.

Under Chapter 11 of the NAFTA Agreement, a tribunal conducts a
behind closed-doors “trial” to decide the cases dealing with how
state and federal laws may damage NAFTA business. If NAFTA
investors believe state or federal laws damage their NAFTA
businesses, under the tribunal the investor may sue the government
and taxpayers will foot the bill. The NAFTA tribunal decision
trumps the U.S. courts, all the way to the Supreme Court. Yet, the
Bush Administration insists the SPP will have no effect on our
court system.
...
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http://itshappeninghere.blogspot.com...date-bush.html
Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway

by Jerome R. Corsi
Posted Jun 12, 2006

Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing
the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four
football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along
Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the
Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn.


Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far
East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro
Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman’s Union in the process. The
Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union,
will drive on what will be the nation’s most modern highway
straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross
border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new
“SENTRI” system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs
office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility
being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S.
taxpayers in Kansas City.

As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first
Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready
to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies,
dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs
(non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the
scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of
comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is
largely asleep to this key piece of the coming “North American
Union” that government planners in the new trilateral region of
United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.

Just examine the following websites to get a feel for the
magnitude of NAFTA Super Highway planning that has been going on
without any new congressional legislation directly authorizing the
construction of the planned international corridor through the
center of the country.

* NASCO, the North America SuperCorridor Coalition Inc., is a
“non-profit organization dedicated to developing the world’s first
international, integrated and secure, multi-modal transportation
system along the International Mid-Continent Trade and
Transportation Corridor to improve both the trade competitiveness
and quality of life in North America.” Where does that sentence
say anything about the USA? Still, NASCO has received $2.5 million
in earmarks from the U.S. Department of Transportation to plan the
NAFTA Super Highway as a 10-lane limited-access road (five lanes
in each direction) plus passenger and freight rail lines running
alongside pipelines laid for oil and natural gas. One glance at
the map of the NAFTA Super Highway on the front page of the NASCO
website will make clear that the design is to connect Mexico,
Canada, and the U.S. into one transportation system.

* Kansas City SmartPort Inc. is an “investor based organization
supported by the public and private sector” to create the key hub
on the NAFTA Super Highway. At the Kansas City SmartPort, the
containers from the Far East can be transferred to trucks going
east and west, dramatically reducing the ground transportation
time dropping the containers off in Los Angeles or Long Beach
involves for most of the country. A brochure on the SmartPort
website describes the plan in glowing terms: “For those who live
in Kansas City, the idea of receiving containers nonstop from the
Far East by way of Mexico may sound unlikely, but later this month
that seemingly far-fetched notion will become a reality.”

* The U.S. government has housed within the Department of Commerce
(DOC) an “SPP office” that is dedicated to organizing the many
working groups laboring within the executive branches of the U.S.,
Mexico and Canada to create the regulatory reality for the
Security and Prosperity Partnership. The SPP agreement was signed
by Bush, President Vicente Fox, and then-Prime Minister Paul
Martin in Waco, Tex., on March 23, 2005. According to the DOC
website, a U.S.-Mexico Joint Working Committee on Transportation
Planning has finalized a plan such that “(m)ethods for detecting
bottlenecks on the U.S.-Mexico border will be developed and low
cost/high impact projects identified in bottleneck studies will be
constructed or implemented.” The report notes that new SENTRI
travel lanes on the Mexican border will be constructed this year.
The border at Laredo should be reduced to an electronic speed bump
for the Mexican trucks containing goods from the Far East to enter
the U.S. on their way to the Kansas City SmartPort.

* The Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is overseeing the
Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) as the first leg of the NAFTA Super
Highway. A 4,000-page environmental impact statement has already
been completed and public hearings are scheduled for five weeks,
beginning next month, in July 2006. The billions involved will be
provided by a foreign company, Cintra Concessions de
Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A. of Spain. As a consequence,
the TTC will be privately operated, leased to the Cintra
consortium to be operated as a toll-road.
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http://www.vdare.com/misc/070416_sheehy.htm
April 16, 2007

Chertoff, Gutierrez, Rice: Plotting Bush’s North American Union
By Daniel Sheehy


Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff is a busy guy these
days securing our border with Mexico—at least that’s what the
"mainstream media" wants Americans to think.

During President Bush’s tour of Yuma, Arizona on April 9, we were
shown pictures of Bush and Chertoff posing in front of a Predator
B unmanned aerial vehicle, implying that the Predator is being
used along the border to catch illegal aliens.

Other pictures showed Bush pointing to fencing that has been
erected at the border since he visited the same spot one year ago.
"This border is more secure, and America is safer as a result,"
the president told several hundred border agents, National Guard
personnel, and local law enforcement officials during his visit to
Yuma. "I appreciate the hard work of Secretary Michael Chertoff."

(Read about Bush’s April 9 tour of Yuma in, The One Hundred Year
Fence, by Glenn Spencer, one of the people featured in my book,
Fighting Immigration Anarchy: American Patriots Battle to Save the
Nation. Apparently, a mere 2 ½ miles of double-layered fencing has
been constructed along the border with Mexico since Congress
approved and Bush signed into law The Secure Fence Act of 2006
just before the November election.)

On February 8, in a story titled Immigration drive kicks into high
gear by Nicole Gaouette, the Los Angeles Times reported that
Chertoff took "members of Congress on a helicopter tour of the
southern U.S. border to promote the administration’s stepped-up
enforcement measures." Accompanying the story was a photo of
Chertoff welding a chunk of fence along the Arizona-Mexico border.
These staged photos and appearances are part of a massive
propaganda campaign to convince the American people that the
border is, or soon will be, under control—so it is time to pass a
"comprehensive immigration reform" bill, which is code for a
massive new "guest-worker" program and an illegal-alien amnesty.

This is why we are increasingly hearing about federal authorities
arresting "illegal immigrants" in various cities across the U.S.
Of course, arresting a few dozen illegal aliens once a week is
barely a drop in the bucket when there are more than 20 million in
the U.S. and thousands flooding across the southern border every
day. The arrests are not meant to fix the crisis, but just to give
the impression that the government is cracking down.

In a March 29 story titled "Immigrant plan quietly in the works",
the Los Angeles Times’ Gaouette reported that Chertoff and
Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez have been meeting several
times a week behind closed doors on Capitol Hill with
"influential" Republican senators and aides to advance
"immigration reform."

"We are working very hard on this," Gutierrez was quoting as
saying.

What the L.A. Times and other elitist-controlled major media
outlets do not report is that also behind closed doors, and
without legally required congressional oversight, Chertoff and
Gutierrez, along with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, have
been working together for two years on the economic and political
merger of the United States with Mexico and Canada. This is why
Bush, Chertoff, Gutierrez, and others are pushing so hard for
"comprehensive immigration reform."

The three conspiratorial Cabinet secretaries are coordinating the
gradual integration of the three countries into a borderless North
American Union patterned after the European Union.

(Here are some interesting facts about these three Cabinet
secretaries: Global corporate elitist Gutierrez was earning $7.4
million in 2004 as CEO of Kellogg before becoming Commerce
Secretary in early 2005. Rice, before becoming Bush’s National
Security Advisor in early 2001, sat on the boards of several
multinational corporations, including Chevron, which named an oil
tanker after her. Rice was sworn in as Secretary of State in early
2005. Chertoff is co-author of the misnamed Patriot Act, signed
into law just six weeks after 9/11. Chertoff was Assistant
Attorney General before becoming the second Homeland Security
Secretary, also in early 2005. Again, all three were named to
their Cabinet posts in early 2005. You will see the relevance of
this when you read my bullet points. It also should be noted that
when President Bill Clinton fired all U.S. attorneys in 1993, the
only one not canned was Chertoff, who was U.S. attorney in New
Jersey. I want to know why.)

Others traitors are involved in this overthrow of the U.S.
government and Constitution, but Chertoff, Gutierrez, and Rice
appear to be coordinating the merger for the Bush administration,
according to my analysis of government reports and meetings.

This also explains why Chertoff has said he won’t build the more
than 700 miles of double-layered fencing on our southern border.

The promoters of a EU-style North American Union began during the
George H.W. Bush administration, with the North American Free
Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which is a developing economic and
political union of the U.S., Mexico, and Canada. Congress approved
the 1,700-page pact into law in 1993 and President Clinton
immediately signed it in 1994.

George H.W. Bush, a long-time internationalist and former CIA
chief who stated his goal for a "new world order" when he was
president from 1988-1992, was vice president when President Reagan
signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) in 1986,
which rewarded about three million illegal aliens, mostly from
Mexico, with amnesty and a path to U.S. citizenship. I wonder how
much influence Bush had on Reagan’s decision.

So-called "free trade" agreements such as NAFTA benefit the rich
and hurt the rest of us, both north and south of our borders. The
implementation of NAFTA in 1994 coincides with the largest wave of
illegal immigration and drugs into the U.S. from Mexico ever,
especially under the current Bush administration.

In 2005, "as many as four to 10 million illegal aliens" and tens
of millions of pounds of cocaine and marijuana entered the U.S.,
according to a congressional report titled A Line in the Sand:
Confronting the Threat at the Southwest Border. Does this mean
there were 11,000 to 27,000 new job openings in America every day
in 2005? After all, President Bush tells us these "good-hearted"
people are just coming here to do jobs Americans won’t do. To the
best of my knowledge, the only "mainstream" media outlet reporting
those jaw-dropping numbers was the Houston Chronicle on October
17, 2006, when the report was released. I wrote about the report
on October 20.

The congressional report also states that the U.S. Border Patrol
apprehended approximately 650 illegal aliens from countries "that
could export individuals that could bring harm to our country in
the way of terrorism." Federal law enforcement estimates that only
10 percent to 30 percent of illegals are actually apprehended when
they cross the border, according to the report. This means that
perhaps thousands of people from countries that could "bring harm"
to the U.S. snuck across our southern border in 2005.

In addition, the report says, "Members of Hezbollah have already
entered the United States across the Southwest border."

...
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http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo...tate_docss.htm
The American Union is Already Here
Bush 'super-state' documents sought, FOIA request filed to expose
plans for 'North American union'

World Net Daily | June 20 2006

RELATED:
Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway

North American Union Already Starting to Replace USA

New World Order Chieftans Openly Discuss Dismantling US Border and
Bringing Us into the Pan-American Union

NAFTA Turned U.S., Canada And Mexico Into Single Giant Market

Texas: Keystone State of the FTAA

Task force urges creation of 'Fortress America'

New PNAC/neocon front group pushing tri-national ID on 9/11 corpse

Experts call for common North America border

Panel calls for secured border perimeter with U.S., Canada, Mexico

Internationalizing US Roads

Mexico and U.S. put “Security Perimeter” on fast-track



Author Jerome Corsi filed a Freedom of Information Act request
yesterday asking for full disclosure of the activities of an
office implementing a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada
that apparently could lead to a North American union, despite
having no authorization from Congress.

As WorldNetDaily reported, the White House has established working
groups, under the North American Free Trade Agreement office in
the Department of Commerce, to implement the Security and
Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, signed by President Bush, Mexican
President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin
in Waco, Texas, March 23, 2005.


Corsi specifically has requested the partnership's membership
lists, constitutive documents, meeting minutes, meeting agendas
and meeting schedules as well as all findings, reports,
presentations or memoranda.
He also wants all comments to representatives of the "Prosperity
Working Groups" or other working groups, committees or task forces
associated with the partnership along with internal and external
interagency or intra-agency memoranda of understanding, letters of
intent, agreements, initiatives and budgeting documents.

Corsi believes President Bush effectively agreed to erase U.S.
borders with Mexico and Canada when he signed the SPP.

...

"Ash Wyllie" wrote

Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so voting for
Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not in the long run.

Unfortunately, that is often exactly what you don't want to see, if the
person that would be the "better of the bad" is who they steal from, which
is how it usually works.
--
Jim in NC

On 2007-10-23 17:38:46 -0700, Larry Dighera said:

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:42:02 -0700, "NW_Pilot"
wrote in
:


Yea, it's called the North American Union...

The first I heard of this was from the mouth of Vincente Fox:

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/category/resistance/
Vicente Fox admits to wanting a North American Union on Jon
Stewart Show

Stewart’s applauding audience believes flooding the US with
illegals, surrendering our sovereignty to Mexico (and vice-versa)
and ripping up the US constitution is a good idea apparently
[video]

So, if all this giant conspiracy with George Bush involved really
exists, why haven't all the Democratic candidates made a major issue of
it?


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
I heard a few months back that because of his stint on L&O, Fred
Thompson has a HUGH edge

L&O ?

"Law and Order"

Good show, but that sure doesn't make him a better candidate, IMHO.

No, it doesn't.

It's scary how our political system works.

When one considers how the majority of people get their news, plus how the
public schools "prepare" them to evaluate issues and candidates, it's like a
country trying to committ suicide.

Personally, the more I
see of it, the more I understand and appreciate the Electoral College.

One thing I've done these past 10-15 years is to stop blaming "politicians"
and targeting more the people that put them in office.

Recently, Morgans posted:

"Ash Wyllie" wrote

Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so
voting for Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not
in the long run.

Unfortunately, that is often exactly what you don't want to see, if
the person that would be the "better of the bad" is who they steal
from, which is how it usually works.

The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering
where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly unrecoverable
screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the system" are among
the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We really need to wake up.

Neil

Neil Gould wrote:

The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering
where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly unrecoverable
screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the system" are among
the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We really need to wake up.

I'm not sure that they are bad choices per se. These candidates are all
very accomplished people (except maybe Fred Thompson). The problem is
the lack of real leadership. No one wants to say anything definitive for
fear of offending someone. We need real leaders, people who aren't
afraid to say, "this will be unpopular but we have to do this because of
X, Y and Z". Lincoln did it, FDR did it, Johnson did it, Reagan did it.
Paint the picture, and pull people together to solve the problems.
Honest dialog with a mostly intelligent public.

So much of what passes for discourse today is just propaganda spun from
both sides of the spectrum and spoon fed to us in the 24hr news cycle.
It is poisoning the greatest social experiment the world has ever known,
the USofA.

KC