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pac plyer wrote:
Take a nice nap on the way to Oshgosh! Just make sure your rated co-pilot doesn't do it the same time you do! (sorry, your wife or dog do not qualify.) ;-) Uh, *some* wives do: Margy Natalie, Sydney Hoeltzli, Tina Marie (ok, so technically she isn't married...). And some husbands do not. And the spelling is "Oshkosh". :-) Russell Kent |
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I saw the same CNN report. They specifically reported that the FAA said your
hands do NOT have to be on the controls at all time. "Toks Desalu" wrote in message news:3f182685@shknews01... Guys! You could not believe what I saw on CNN before I left for work. I missed the beginning of the segment, but I understood the whole story. A passenger was fliming during the flight. That film was showing on CNN. The pilot got caught sleeping while flying. The pilot did not wear the headset. I noticed that he was wearing a ear plug. You could see his head tilt backward with his left eye closed. The passenger claimed that he was filming him sleeping for about one hour. At the end of segment, the CNN went to FAA for comments and the FAA claimed that it was against the regulation. FAA claimed that the pilot must be awake and his must be on the control at all the time. There is no way to tell what kind of aircraft but, it was pretty clear that it is under general aviation, a high wing with mulit-engine(propeller) aircraft. Also, because of pilot's uniform, and other passengers, it indicated that it is under part 121 operation. But, I could be wrong. I have no idea where the flight was but the reporter said he/she was reporting from West Palm Beach, Florida. Here my questions: Can you believe this? I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can point it out? Why they really want to make us look bad? Feel free to comment on this. Toks PP_ASEL |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:12:34 GMT, Dave S wrote:
Maybe NOW the feds can push through some MEANINGFUL crew rest and duty time limitations. Whats scary is riding in the back in a 135 op and looking up to find BOTH of them guys nodding off... its happened more than once. Dave PPSEL Toks Desalu wrote: Guys! You could not believe what I saw on CNN before I left for work. I missed the beginning of the segment, but I understood the whole story. A passenger was fliming during the flight. That film was showing on CNN. The pilot got caught sleeping while flying. The pilot did not wear the headset. I noticed that he was wearing a ear plug. You could see his head tilt backward with his left eye closed. The passenger claimed that he was filming him sleeping for about one hour. At the end of segment, the CNN went to FAA for comments and the FAA claimed that it was against the regulation. FAA claimed that the I think they must have misrepresented it to the FAA. I don't think it's against the rules for one to take a nap while the other flys..then again. pilot must be awake and his must be on the control at all the time. There is The pilot can not be on the controls when the copilot is operating as PIC. no way to tell what kind of aircraft but, it was pretty clear that it is under general aviation, a high wing with mulit-engine(propeller) aircraft. Also, because of pilot's uniform, and other passengers, it indicated that it is under part 121 operation. But, I could be wrong. I have no idea where the flight was but the reporter said he/she was reporting from West Palm Beach, Florida. Here my questions: Can you believe this? I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can point it out? If it is, virtually every pilot I know has been violating...what if he has to take a pee? I think some one over reacted. Why they really want to make us look bad? Feel free to comment on this. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) Toks PP_ASEL |
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Roger Halstead wrote
The pilot can not be on the controls when the copilot is operating as PIC. This would have been a lot more correct if Roger had said "when the copilot is flying the airplane". The PIC is the PIC period. Often, the PIC will perform the duties of a copilot and the SIC will perform the duties of a pilot. More recent airline terminology is "pilot flying" and "pilot not flying". Bob Moore |
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Russell Kent wrote: pac plyer wrote: Take a nice nap on the way to Oshgosh! Just make sure your rated co-pilot doesn't do it the same time you do! (sorry, your wife or dog do not qualify.) ;-) Uh, *some* wives do: Margy Natalie, Sydney Hoeltzli, Tina Marie (ok, so technically she isn't married...). And some husbands do not. And the spelling is "Oshkosh". :-) Russell Kent Nancy would when I was FP, but I couldn't when she was FP. Warren |
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Mark Hickey wrote in message . ..
Dave S wrote: Maybe NOW the feds can push through some MEANINGFUL crew rest and duty time limitations. Whats scary is riding in the back in a 135 op and looking up to find BOTH of them guys nodding off... its happened more than once. Back in '72 I flew Aeroflot across the Atlantic and was shocked to see the stewardess carrying glasses of cognac to the cabin (and later returning with the empties). Oh well, we made it. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame If that bothers ya, don't fly Air France either. Even though they flew in U.S. airspace, the frogs were notorious for having a miniature wine with their trans-Atlantic meals. (but that was before random booze testing; not sure if that still goes on, unless they perform their own testing ;-)) pac "sixpack" plyer |
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Curious Question wrote in message ...
snip What do you think will happen to the co-pilot for allowing this sort of public behaviour by the captain and doing nothing to wake him up and stop it. Nothing. Some sharp words and an easy line-check. He's not PIC. pacplyer |
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In article ,
BRUCE FRANK wrote: I thought there actually was a regulation in which pilots, at least on some long flights, were allowed to nap with the copilot in control. I am surprised that anyone thinks this a big deal particularly in this day when there are public service ads that advocate power naps for drivers to stay sharp. Since a plane cannot pull into a road side rest area, turn it over to the copilot and catch 40 winks! Is the copilot not qualified to fly the plane? On some _really_ long over-water commercial flights, they carry a complete relief cockpit crew. |
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Do you think CNN wold send out a camera crew for my first flight?
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"Robert Bonomi" bonomi@c-ns. wrote in message ... In article , On some _really_ long over-water commercial flights, they carry a complete relief cockpit crew. I worked for Saudia, they carried a crew of five on their non-stop flights to and from the US, which included one or more domestic legs in the US and Arabia. I think the crewing was three pilots and two engineers. In many cases, one of the engineers was a pilot, as well. |
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