Help search for Steve Fossett

On Sep 10, 4:32 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:
Probably my ineptness, but the flash application doesn't work. I get a
Google Earth view of the Lat, Long starting point on Google Earth but no
opportunity to designate an image as interesting. I also don't get a
predictable way to shift to the next image.

Just realised that I've been using a non-Flash version (I use Opera so
can turn Flash on and off at will - usually it's off). To get it, just
take the =Flash off the end of the URL:

http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?g...XEZJZG21T60&kw


Dan

Dan G wrote:
What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
best hope for timely rescue.

Perhaps, but I still found this headline and article rather sad:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../MNF0S2BJT.DTL

The search for Fossett is something more than a "conventional" SAR
operation...

Marc

The missing aircraft is blue on white with a "typical" sunburst design on
the top of the wing (the design that has multiple beams radiating out from
the center, leading edge of the wing).

Remember that if there's a post impact fire involving a rag and tube
aircraft, there's often little or nothing left of the original paint scheme
or even the outline of the aircraft. Fuel fires will be hot and the thin
aluminum ribs and inner wing structure can melt. We may be left looking for
what amounts to a dark spot on the ground.

Two years ago, when a Piper Super Cub (N2333J) went missing in north east
Nevada, it took two months to find the wreckage, and there was no post
impact fire. It was found by hunters on horseback, not by the aerial search.

However, during the aerial search for that aircraft, two previously
undiscovered crash sites were found, one dating back some 30 years. Several
undiscovered crash sites have been found in this current search (no info on
these yet, probably until next of kin are notified).

bumper

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On Sep 10, 5:55 am, Dan G wrote:
http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?g...21T60&kw=Flash

These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!

Dan - What is the paint job on the missing Citabria ?
Startburst ? Stripes ? Didn't see this info, perhaps it would help...
Best Regards, Dave "YO"

On Sep 10, 11:27 am, "bumper" wrote:
However, during the aerial search for that aircraft, two previously
undiscovered crash sites were found, one dating back some 30 years. Several
undiscovered crash sites have been found in this current search (no info on
these yet, probably until next of kin are notified).

Saw you on NBC news Saturday morning - too bad it took something like
this to get you in the spotlight

Since you are close to the action, it would really help if we could
get the coordinates of any known crash sites that are within the
search area. It would likely provide a better feel for what we're
looking for compared to the sample image of an intact airplane on the
search page.

-Tom

On Sep 10, 10:54 am, Marc Ramsey wrote:
Dan G wrote:
What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
best hope for timely rescue.

Perhaps, but I still found this headline and article rather sad:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...7/09/10/MNF0S2...

The search for Fossett is something more than a "conventional" SAR
operation...

But one must also consider how many times we may have seen wreckage
from the air while soaring and thought it was something that had been
investigated, but never cleaned up.

If we had a database of all the coordinates, then it would be easy to
look it up at the end of flight to be sure that it's not something
new.

-Tom

Tom,

CAP has been keeping most of this stuff close the chest, not releasing any
data over what they've been telling the news media - - almost. I do have
contacts within the CAP, though it's unlikely they could give me info that
is privileged.

There is a national database of wrecks, and according to the news, these
newly found wrecks will be added to that DB after next of kin have been
notified. Perhaps someone more versed in computer searches than me can find
the url for that DB?

As you might expect, there's a fair amount of unconfirmed rumor and such
being bandied about - - though most is not fit to print.

bumper

"5Z" wrote in message
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On Sep 10, 11:27 am, "bumper" wrote:
However, during the aerial search for that aircraft, two previously
undiscovered crash sites were found, one dating back some 30 years.
Several
undiscovered crash sites have been found in this current search (no info
on
these yet, probably until next of kin are notified).

Saw you on NBC news Saturday morning - too bad it took something like
this to get you in the spotlight

Since you are close to the action, it would really help if we could
get the coordinates of any known crash sites that are within the
search area. It would likely provide a better feel for what we're
looking for compared to the sample image of an intact airplane on the
search page.

-Tom

Dan G wrote:
TBH I don't know how effective this method of "searching" will prove.
As is linked to above, the prototype of this method was the search for
a Microsoft employee who sailed out of San Francisco and was never
seen again (I worked on that one too). Although a number of yachts of
the right size were sighted in the images, they proved not to be the
Tenacious and Gray was never found. (Gray and the Tenacious are still
out there, somewhere, probably on the seabed by now). You can read the
blog that was used to co-ordinate the satellite search:

I'm skeptical as well, but I think it's an interesting technique which may
have some potential, so it's good that it's getting another test.

What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
best hope for timely rescue.

Indeed. There has been some complaining about the seemingly special
attention that Fossett is getting, but this satellite stuff appears to
be contributed by entirely private organizations, and if they want to do
that then that's their business. And if it leads to better techniques for
everyone then we're all better off in the end.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

I was game, gave it a try, and after entering enough contact information to
get spammed for years to come, I got the "Try again later" message. Web
sites shouldn't be playing these kinds of games with people's lives - unless
they're robust enough to follow through. Sorry Steve, no help coming from
this end.


"Dan G" wrote in message
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http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?g...21T60&kw=Flash

These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!

I wonder if this massive search will also discover long lost gliders?
Does anyone know if there were any missing gliders over the years in
Nevada?

Ramy

On Sep 10, 9:54 am, Marc Ramsey wrote:
Dan G wrote:
What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
best hope for timely rescue.

Perhaps, but I still found this headline and article rather sad:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...7/09/10/MNF0S2...

The search for Fossett is something more than a "conventional" SAR
operation...

Marc

"user" wrote in message
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I was game, gave it a try, and after entering enough contact information to get
spammed for years to come, I got the "Try again later" message. Web sites
shouldn't be playing these kinds of games with people's lives - unless they're
robust enough to follow through. Sorry Steve, no help coming from this end.

I was also initially game to give it a try, but made the mistake of reading
the user agreement. Sorry, no go this time.

Perhaps in the future they will have time to smooth out some of the kinks.

Vaughn