2011 USA Proposed Competition Rules Changes Posted.

On Dec 28, 1:53*pm, Andy wrote:
On Dec 28, 6:59*am, wrote:





On Dec 27, 9:43*pm, Andy wrote:

On Dec 27, 6:18*pm, wrote:

On Dec 27, 8:00*pm, Andy wrote:

On Dec 27, 4:54*pm, "Wayne Paul" wrote:

"John Godfrey (QT)" wrote in ...

Discussion invited.

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/2011...20Summary%2010...

John Godfrey (QT)
SSA Competition Rules Committee

After reading through the rules it is my assumption that both SPOT and APRS systems are allowed.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"

I wondered about that. *What commercially available device performs
the complete APRS function?

If the intent of the rule is to deny use of prohibited functionality
why does it matter if a device or system that provides permitted
functionality is commercially available?

Andy

Wording is specifying commercially produced devices ie. Flarm and not
some homebuilt device
that someone my claim is equivalent.
Limit of functionality can be used to ensure , if this path is chosen,
that outside information is limited to that
which satisfies the anti collision objective, without providing
additional information that is useful tactically, such as
gaggles, climb rates, possibly energy paths that are not permitted
under the current rules philosophy.
What and how all this nay be done will be a long topic with many
opinions.
UH

Ok, let's get specific. *I have ordered PowerFLARM. *I am also an
alpha and beta tester for, and user of, LK80000 tactical flight
computer software. *Do the proposed 2011 rules allow me to interface
PowerFLARM with LK8000 and to use any FLARM information presented by
LK8000 during SSA sanctioned contests?

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I don't know a lot of detail about the LK8000, but what I understand
is that it may embody the
kind of processing and display of information that is not addressed in
the text of the rules but is outside
the scope of what has been the philosophy of the rules intent.
One of the reasons we are not black and white is it has not been clear
how quickly useful tactical devices
will appear.
It is quite possible that we will end with rules that do not permit
the exporting of tactically useful information such as climb
rate from PowerFlarm.
In fairness to those who may be contemplating buying new devices to
get an advantage over the other guy, they
should know that they may well not be permitted.
As to exactly what will be available for 2010, that is one element of
the debate.
UH

I understand the problem you are facing with PowerFLARM data usage,
but please be careful that any *constraints that may be imposed on
PowerFLARM transmitted data, or on the usage of the data, are not
incompatible with the apparent move towards allowing team flying in
SSA sanctioned contests.

One could perhaps implement a contest mode in which climb rate data is
suppressed except between pilots that have each entered a prearranged
team code. *That would presumably require PowerFLARM to transmit the
team code and the receiving unit would only display climb rate (or
other restricted use data) if its team code was the same. *A public
team code would allow all users to see everyone's data when not flying
in a contest.

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RC has agreed to permit radio usage in Regionals, by waiver, as one
thing that could be used to allow punditing
to help bring beginners along. To make the assumption that we are
moving toward allowing team flying would be a pretty big stretch
from the action we are taking.
UH

On Dec 27, 2:21*pm, "John Godfrey (QT)"
wrote:
Discussion invited.

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/2011...20Summary%2010...

John Godfrey (QT)
SSA Competition Rules Committee

Hmm, Item #11 - Landing at an airport - coordinates are no longer
assumed: Doug Jacobs/2010 Mifflin Regional Day 1 rule? ;-)

TA

On Dec 30, 11:09*pm, Frank wrote:
On Dec 27, 2:21*pm, "John Godfrey (QT)"
wrote:

Discussion invited.

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/2011...20Summary%2010...

John Godfrey (QT)
SSA Competition Rules Committee

Hmm, Item #11 - Landing at an airport - coordinates are no longer
assumed: *Doug Jacobs/2010 Mifflin Regional Day 1 rule? ;-)

TA

That occurrance did raise the issue. In Doug's case the correct result
was accomplished by measuring to his point of furthest progress which
was on downwind beyond the end of the airport. It did lead to a review
of the associated rules with an eye toward avoiding possible
conflicting choices by the scorer.
HNY
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