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Thanks all for the answers, I'll go check out some of those sites.
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"Peter R." wrote in message ups.com... Also, it's safe to say that a percentage of time the controller is asking these questions to prod the pilot to get back on the course and/or altitude that the controller last assigned. :-) -- Peter And sometimes not that subtle. I can recall listening in on a United flight when the controller told the crew twice to get back on the localizer and if they busted it again they were going missed. That was real comforting at a very busy airport in 200 & 1/2 conditions. |
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Because of our law suit happy society most airlines have removed the ATC
feed from their audios. Some passengers would listen for any message that could imply a safety problem and then sue because they suffered severe emotional trauma. -- Darrell R. Schmidt B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/ - "Bucky" wrote in message oups.com... I'm not a pilot, just your typical passenger. I don't fly United often, so I just discovered that they put the ATC on the inflight audio. I was totally fascinated and want to learn some more. Is there a website that has some basic ATC protocols? Not some huge reference manual, just the common phrases that you hear over a commercial flight's radio. A few questions I had while listening: - What happens if 2 people try to talk at the same time? Do you hear both voices or neither? How do they avoid talking over each other? - It seems that there is no authentication/security, the parties just identify themselves. Have there been cases of troublemakers making false impersonations? - They ask pilots their speed, altitude, and heading a lot. Can't the transponder send that information? - Do any other airlines put ATC on the inflight audio? |
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R.L. wrote:
if you enjoy listening to air traffic control, why not take lessons and be a pilot? I second this suggestion. At least take an introductory flight, just be sure you do it at an airport that has a control tower. -- Chris W Gift Giving Made Easy Get the gifts you want & give the gifts they want http://thewishzone.com |
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Yes, there have been problems with authentication/security. There was a
NOTAM (notice to airman) out a couple years ago in teh San Fransisco area concerning some teenagers that were responding to radio calls to airliners. Usually its a bit obvious when transmissions come from the ground because only those within a *very* short distance can here them unless they are using a pretty serious antenna. Also, these teenagers were using phrases that were not standard. Aircraft radios work well because the aircraft are up in the air. -robert, CFI |
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Darrell S wrote:
Because of our law suit happy society most airlines have removed the ATC feed from their audios. Some passengers would listen for any message that could imply a safety problem and then sue because they suffered severe emotional trauma. Most airlines never had it. At United, ATC-on-9 (or From the Cockpit as it is officially called) is at the discretion of the pilot. |
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Darrell S wrote:
Because of our law suit happy society most airlines have removed the ATC feed from their audios. Most airlines never had it, and it has nothing to do with lawsuits. George Patterson "Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got no clothes on - and are up to somethin'. |
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I heard him, or one of his friends, doing Jimmy Stewart once with Albany.
ATC informed him that he could be cleared to direct Bedford Falls. He replied it must have been his friend Harvey who requested the change, and that he would prefer his current clearance. At the time, I had been pretty stressed out. As a low-time pilot, I had just picked up my first plane, and was ferrying it home. I had put down due to deteriorating weather and rough terrain. I called flight services and they said It was clear to the north, and I could follow one of the finger lakes to clear skies. The radio banter did a lot to calm me down. "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "Dave Butler" wrote in message news:1116277026.626385@sj-nntpcache-3... Bucky wrote: - It seems that there is no authentication/security, the parties just identify themselves. Have there been cases of troublemakers making false impersonations? Yes, there have been cases, but they are rare. I used to work with a fellow who did impersonations on the air. He's come on once as Kirk Douglas, then John Wayne, then Burt Lancaster, then Elvis... I don't think that's what you mean by "impersonations", though, but ATC didn't seem to mind. -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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"Darrell S" wrote in message news:Rjqie.1595$jj.628@lakeread06... Because of our law suit happy society most airlines have removed the ATC feed from their audios. Some passengers would listen for any message that could imply a safety problem and then sue because they suffered severe emotional trauma. Do you have one cite that this ever really happened? |
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