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Sun N Fun '07 Redux
After sitting in the Diamond D-jet mock-up, I too am now convinced that the
VLJs will see brisk sales. I could not believe how "car like" the cockpit felt. There are probably more buttons and knobs in a Cirrus than in the D-jet. Of course this could lead to problems as well, I suspect. There is no "intimidation factor" like when sitting in the TBM or like. Pilots who can afford it will sell their pressurized C210 or turbo SR22 and step lively into the new role of Flight System Manager. I just hope that they will be up to the task of Piloting, when in the Mod to Severe that was shown by XM weather to be an opening kicks the AP offline. Point of reference: The Diamond rep felt confident that owners yearly insurance budget shouldn't be more than "$24k to $32k per year depending on flight experience" (his quote). Anyone know the typical for a TBM owner? "K Baum" wrote in message .... ............... I was facinated with all the VLJ,s. My buddy and I were offered jobs at both the Eclipse tent and the Diamond tent. It seems that they have some pretty low time pilots who are ordering these jets, so they have set up a pilot mentor program for new owners to fly with experienced pilots for awhile. I think the insurance companies are playing a big role in this program. |
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"Mike Isaksen" wrote Point of reference: The Diamond rep felt confident that owners yearly insurance budget shouldn't be more than "$24k to $32k per year depending on flight experience" 24 to 32 THOUSAND??? Are you sure? Wow. I know I would be WAY over my head, when just the insurance could be more than HALF of my gross yearly income. Wow! -- Jim in NC |
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24 to 32 THOUSAND???
Are you sure? Wow. Well, Jim, the average Cirrus pilot is paying $10 - $15K annually for insurance, from what I've been told. Makes my $1200/year seem positively reasonable. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... 24 to 32 THOUSAND??? Are you sure? Wow. Well, Jim, the average Cirrus pilot is paying $10 - $15K annually for insurance, from what I've been told. Makes my $1200/year seem positively reasonable. What is the hull value of a Cirrus compared to your 30 some-odd year old aircraft? -- Matt Barrow Performace Homes, LLC. Colorado Springs, CO |
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Sun N Fun '07 Redux
The amount you stated seems high, unless you are talking about a low time,
non-instrument rated pilot, with high liability coverage and full hull. Even considering the cost of a new plane, the hull coverage seems very high. |
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Sun N Fun '07 Redux
"Jay Honeck" wrote Well, Jim, the average Cirrus pilot is paying $10 - $15K annually for insurance, from what I've been told. Makes my $1200/year seem positively reasonable. I had no idea that it was so expensive to insure jets. I have a hard time seeing how they will ever be able to get the cost down low enough to make air taxi service with the VLJ's affordable. -- Jim in NC |
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Sun N Fun '07 Redux
I have a friend who owned a Citation for many years. The insurance was
$90K per year. He also owned a Caravan on amphibs, that ran $45K per year for insurance. Another friend has a Caravan on wheels, that only costs $35K per year. Morgans wrote: "Jay Honeck" wrote Well, Jim, the average Cirrus pilot is paying $10 - $15K annually for insurance, from what I've been told. Makes my $1200/year seem positively reasonable. I had no idea that it was so expensive to insure jets. I have a hard time seeing how they will ever be able to get the cost down low enough to make air taxi service with the VLJ's affordable. |
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Sun N Fun '07 Redux
This was my first time, and I really enjoyed meeting Jay and Mary and
soaking up my first 'big fly-in/airshow experience'. I was only there for Thursday afternoon and all day Friday, and didn't camp, but it's a start I think I at least managed to see every part of the grounds with the exception of Choppertown (which required a tram ride), including a trip out to Lake Parker for a couple of hours. The Piper Jet mockup was indeed there, along with lots of other VLJs and LSAs. I agree that some of the LSAs are almost indistiguishable from larger aircraft at a distance. It was actually a little odd seeing them flying around with the ultralights in the pattern at Paradise City, and at least one landing I watched by one of the sleeker LSAs pushed the limits of the grass strip length. I liked Cirrus' marketing scheme. They gave away T-shirts advertising their new Generation 3 aircraft to anyone who would agree to wear them out of the booth. I was surprised I didn't see more people wearing them, but I think the deal was an 'open secret' as I only found out about it by overhearing the lady at the booth talking to another customer. -- Allen Johnson Raleigh, NC |
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No problem. I'll give T-shirts away at my forum this year to any female
willing to take her shirt off and put mine on during the forum ... on stage. Jim I liked Cirrus' marketing scheme. They gave away T-shirts advertising their new Generation 3 aircraft to anyone who would agree to wear them out of the booth. |
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Sun N Fun '07 Redux
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:32:07 -0600, Newps wrote:
I have a friend who owned a Citation for many years. The insurance was $90K per year. He also owned a Caravan on amphibs, that ran $45K per year for insurance. Another friend has a Caravan on wheels, that only costs $35K per year. I can understand the jet (high due to being a jet and the number of seats) and the Caravan on floats, but on wheels that is almost twice what they quoted me for a TBM 700 with the Caravan costing less and being considerably slower. Morgans wrote: "Jay Honeck" wrote Well, Jim, the average Cirrus pilot is paying $10 - $15K annually for insurance, from what I've been told. Makes my $1200/year seem positively reasonable. I had no idea that it was so expensive to insure jets. I have a hard time seeing how they will ever be able to get the cost down low enough to make air taxi service with the VLJ's affordable. |
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