Didn't know that....

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


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your syphilitic cough doing these days?


Ewww.


Bertie

Bertie the echo puppet.


Maxwell, the zero.


Bertie

Yeah, like that's related.




Yeh, like that's a glass of prune juice


Bertie

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Rich Ahrens wrote in
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on 1/22/09 10:06 PM Maxwell said the following:
"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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on 1/21/09 2:40 PM Flydive said the following:
The problem was multiple bird strikes, with most probably
catastrophic engine failure, I don't think you are going to try a
relight in that situation.
Have you been following along at all? As early as last Saturday
the
NTSB was reporting that that is exactly what they were doing,
based
on interviews with the flight crew backed up by the cockpit
recorder.

From Saturday's NYT:

“My aircraft,” he announced to his first officer, using the
standard
phrasing and protocol drilled into airline crews.

“Your aircraft,” Mr. Skiles responded.

With little thrust, and with the plane’s airspeed falling sharply,
Captain Sullenberger lowered the nose to keep his plane from
falling
out of the sky. And he set his co-pilot to work at moving through
a
three-page checklist of procedures for restarting both the
engines.

Hey Bich, long time. Still shadowing your hero ButtLipp I see.

Nope. Laughing my ass at how he's wiping the floor with you and how
you're too thick to realize it.





More like wiping the toilet with him, keeping in mind his golden
shower
fetish...

Bertie

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QQQQQ


Bertie

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Flydive wrote in
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wrote:
On Jan 20, 3:51 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this
switch?
The manual states:

At 2000 ft

CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO
ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF
P/B DITCHING.....................................ON
P/A............................................."TOU CHDOWN IN
ONE MINUTE" Aim for an impact with an 11° body angle and
minimum
ROD.

Poster

However if you're also working an inflight engine unstart which
takes precedence? Clarification: two engine unstart w/inflight
emergency. Quite a bit different from a situation that begins
at
cruise altitude or with only *one* emergency rather than a
sequence of events. As a PAX I would rather know that the crew
are concentrating on landing the aircraft (ditching) as gently
as
possible.

That silly switch won't do a thing to save the buoyancy if the
fuselage is fractured by a rough ditching...a point one
everyone
seems to miss.

I would hazard (grin) a guess that the final review will show
them to have maintained situational awareness with the
concomitant priority management.


Again, there are 2 pilots in the cockpit, only one is steering
the
aircraft. If the captain was flying the aircraft, what was the
copilot doing in those 7-8 minutes if he was not going through
the
emergency checklist? What the use of a perfect water landing if
then the aircraft quickly fill with water because the ditching
checklist has not been done?


There were dozens of things he would be doing. One, determining
waht the problem was.
Then, dealing with the immediate problem, an engine failure.
Immediate relight attempt. Probably the APU was fired up to
assist
in the relight. as they would have been too slow for a windmill
start. Then a quick call to ATC and probalby a couple of nav
selections for the captain to look for a runway they could plunk
it
on.Then back to the relight drill. We're taught to keep trying
that
to the bitter end, BTW. They take a minute or so so he wouldn't
have had time for more than one or two, and that would have been
after the APU had fired up, say at abotu 1200'. A couple of
calls
to the cabin would have been tossed in their somewhere as well.
The act of picking up the book and finding the ditching checklist
would have taken a good 20-30 seconds...Time they simply did not
have. And this scenario is not done in the sim, so there would
have
been no trigger for it. BTW, I'm beign generous with the actions
they may or may not have accomplished in the time they had. But
all
of them would come ahead of doing a "nice to do " ditching
checklist.



Bertie

save the bed time story, you're starting to rattle more than
Dudley.


Yeh, right wannabe boi.

Bertie


Really, you're beginning to talk more **** than a Jap radio.

Well, any radio is going to talk **** in OKie, wannabe boi.
Bertie

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Bertie

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You are arguing with the functional equivalent of a Japanese radio.

He doesn't even possess the ability to realize he is wrong.


Yeh, do tell know nothing boi


Bertie

Truth hurts dumb ass. Just like you twisted insistence on answering
every post, even to post arguments totally unrelated to the topic at
hand.


Moi? Nope, just your's fjukkktard.


You are obsessed with yourself. Enjoy, I find it a constant source of
entertainment.



Of course you do.


Bertie

On Jan 24, 9:55*am, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
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So, so, did your wife ever get better?

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Interesting reply there Maximum, which voice in your head pooped out
that little tidbit?

And how many are in there? This would help explain your propensity
towards non-sequiturs; you're tired of losing arguments with yourself
and the frustration is expressed on the NG.

We all hope and pray you'll get better soon, whatever your sexual
orientation may be (today).

On Jan 21, 12:17*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote :

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?

The manual states:

At 2000 ft

CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO
ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF
P/B DITCHING.....................................ON
P/A............................................."TOU CHDOWN IN ONE MINUTE"
Aim for an impact with an 11° body angle and minimum ROD.

Yep, and you have spent ag god couple of minutes diggin out the checklist
and reading it out.
Their rod would have been in the region of 1200 FPM, on average. *The
priority woudl be a relight and loing for a place to land. Not reaidng the
checklist.

Bertie

Some are born to fly; some are born to fly a desk as an auditor and
checklist aficionado at the IRS.

The difficulty is in determining which are which before they get into
a cockpit...

wrote in
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On Jan 21, 12:17*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote :

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?

The manual states:

At 2000 ft

CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO
ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF
P/B DITCHING.....................................ON
P/A............................................."TOU CHDOWN IN ONE
MINUT
E"
Aim for an impact with an 11° body angle and minimum ROD.

Yep, and you have spent ag god couple of minutes diggin out the
checklist and reading it out.
Their rod would have been in the region of 1200 FPM, on average. *The
priority woudl be a relight and loing for a place to land. Not
reaidng th
e
checklist.

Bertie

Some are born to fly; some are born to fly a desk as an auditor and
checklist aficionado at the IRS.

The difficulty is in determining which are which before they get into
a cockpit...


It's not all that hard, really!
The sim sorts the whea from the chaff in most cases.

Bertie

On Jan 26, 10:37*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote :



On Jan 21, 12:17*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote :

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?

The manual states:

At 2000 ft

CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO
ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF
P/B DITCHING.....................................ON
P/A............................................."TOU CHDOWN IN ONE
MINUT
E"
Aim for an impact with an 11° body angle and minimum ROD.

Yep, and you have spent ag god couple of minutes diggin out the
checklist and reading it out.
Their rod would have been in the region of 1200 FPM, on average. *The
priority woudl be a relight and loing for a place to land. Not
reaidng th
e
checklist.

Bertie

Some are born to fly; some are born to fly a desk as an auditor and
checklist aficionado at the IRS.

The difficulty is in determining which are which before they get into
a cockpit...

It's not all that hard, really!
The sim sorts the whea from the chaff in most cases.

Bertie

I would hope this to be the case.
BTW, to bring up an ugly subject, I gave the scenario a go in MS FS
using a 737 because I was too lazy to go look for an airbus. It got
awfully quiet at 3400' when I shut off both engines. Teterboro is
doable but in the sim at least there are a lot of broadcast antennae
in the area I hadn't considered...and since the runways at Laguardia
and Teterboro are parallel you have to fly an sweeping "S"...this was
not fun. The Hudson landing though was very nice however. Too bad
the sim thought it to be a crash, touchdown on the water (15 deg
flaps) was at 135 indicated. I wonder what it was for 1549.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:15:02 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Flydive wrote in :

wrote:
On Jan 20, 10:11 am, Flydive wrote:
wrote:

Low priority compared to flying the plane, deadstick, in a
congested
urban environment.
Or would you rather he spend time looking for a button on the
panel?
Well it takes 3 seconds to flip the switch, you should know where is
located.

one pilot is flying the aircraft, the other one is assisting and
going
through the checklist.

Yep.

Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?

One may assume that since it was not flipped it was not at the top of
the list and thus was of a lower priority. Flying the airplane and
only those steps necessary to (1) avoid obstacles while (2) setting
up
for landing are of high(est) priority.

The ditch switch is at the top of the ditching checklist and usually
is
a memory item, if you are going to ditch I would say is a priority
item.


Only if you have time. Ditchig checklists don't have any memory items at
all, and in fact Bus checklists, with most airlines, have very few
memory drills. Lkikely the only memory checks are the engine fire drill
and a pressurisations blowout, and those would have only the initial
itiems on them.


Airliners have 2 pilots and usually only one of them is handling the
controls, the other one takes care of the emergency and assists the
flying pilot. You say setting up for landing, well if you are
"landing"

No, you tell him to do what you need him to do in the circumstance. In
this case, the non handler was probably try to relight and telling the
cabin and ATC waht was happening.

in water the water, prepare the aircraft for ditching is part of it, a
priority.

Nope, not in this case. if they didn;t fly the airplane, the holes in
the bottom of the airplane would have been the least of their problems,
since they would have made significantly larger holes.
********************************************

Bertie

Isn't there a saying "Fly the airplane to the crash site" or something
similar. Excellent advice and many lives have been saved doing that.
A controlled crash increases your odds of survival many times.

Big John

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Bertie

Isn't there a saying "Fly the airplane to the crash site" or something
similar. Excellent advice and many lives have been saved doing that.
A controlled crash increases your odds of survival many times.

Big John



As opposed to what?
Not flying the aircraft to the crash site, and having an uncontrolled crash.