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Skydiving and FAA regs
On May 24, 6:47*pm, wrote:
Define please "aerobatic maneuvers, Aerobatic flight— No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement; Over an open air assembly of persons; Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport; Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway; Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles. For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft’s attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight. Ricky |
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On May 24, 10:13*pm, Ricky wrote:
On May 24, 6:47*pm, wrote: Define please "aerobatic maneuvers, Aerobatic flight— No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement; Over an open air assembly of persons; Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport; Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway; Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles. For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft’s attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight. USPA 'best practice' requires a minimum exit altitude of 2K'. I've never seen or heard of anyone performing what is typically thought of as aerobatic maneuver, i.e., exiting a pitts special, where proper authorization had not been obtained. I think you're reaching on the aerobatic. Do you have a specific incident? |
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Skydiving and FAA regs
On Mon, 25 May 2009 05:24:45 -0700, the.sargon wrote:
I think you're reaching on the aerobatic. Do you have a specific incident? What about "climbing" as an altitude violation for a jumper? - Andrew |
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On 26 May, 03:01, Andrew Gideon wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2009 05:24:45 -0700, the.sargon wrote: I think you're reaching on the aerobatic. *Do you have a specific incident? What about "climbing" as an altitude violation for a jumper? Here is a near miss - in UK I believe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHA0zvFfH9U |
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On May 25, 9:01*pm, Andrew Gideon wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2009 05:24:45 -0700, the.sargon wrote: I think you're reaching on the aerobatic. *Do you have a specific incident? What about "climbing" as an altitude violation for a jumper? * * * * - Andrew What the heck is climbing? If you mean BASE jumping then that's not skydiving out of an aircraft which was the OPs original subject. |
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What about "climbing" as an altitude violation for a jumper?
- Andrew What the heck is climbing? If you mean BASE jumping then that's not skydiving out of an aircraft which was the OPs original subject. Best I can tell he was humorously alluding to the fact that skydivers cannot go back up and that "climbing" would be some sort of altitude violation (or at the very least a violation of the laws of physics.) ;-) Of course I could be wrong...... tp |
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"good grief" wrote in message ... "climbing" would be some sort of altitude violation (or at the very least a violation of the laws of physics.) ;-) Of course I could be wrong...... You are wrong (well, sort of). My gliding instructor was also an avid skydiver. He took great delight in guiding his jump plane upwind of the best thermals before he jumped so he could fly into them and circle within them . He was able to greatly prolong his parachute "flights" and on occasion, actually climb back up to cloudbase; just like he taught me to do in the sailplane. Vaughn |
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, "vaughn" wrote: "good grief" wrote in message ... "climbing" would be some sort of altitude violation (or at the very least a violation of the laws of physics.) ;-) Of course I could be wrong...... You are wrong (well, sort of). My gliding instructor was also an avid skydiver. He took great delight in guiding his jump plane upwind of the best thermals before he jumped so he could fly into them and circle within them . He was able to greatly prolong his parachute "flights" and on occasion, actually climb back up to cloudbase; just like he taught me to do in the sailplane. And there is of course an entire sport dedicated to this called paragliding. I believe their parachutes are somewhat different, but that just means it's harder to thermal a skydiving parachute, not impossible. Climbing *before* you open the chute, on the other hand, is going to require some pretty "interesting" conditions.... -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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"climbing" would be some sort of altitude violation (or at the very least
a violation of the laws of physics.) ;-) Of course I could be wrong...... You are wrong (well, sort of). My gliding instructor was also an avid skydiver. He took great delight in guiding his jump plane upwind of the best thermals before he jumped so he could fly into them and circle within them . He was able to greatly prolong his parachute "flights" and on occasion, actually climb back up to cloudbase; just like he taught me to do in the sailplane. Vaughn I, also, am a skydiver and have taken advantage of thermals during the canopy ride. I have only encountered "weak" thermals and have only been able to maintain a given altitude for a short time. While I'm sure it's probable that a skydiver under a canopy can gain altitude from thermals under "good" conditions, the canopy (as Mike points out in the post below) is trimmed quite differently from a paraglider or a powered parachute and is designed to descend. In my experience, the thermals I have encountered (mostly from paved parts of the airfield) in Florida are somewhat turbulent. This can be fun or not depending on the jumper's experience! Sometimes a jumper under a lightly loaded canopy (usually a student or low-timer) can experience a little rocking and rolling in thermals or other turbulence that can be a little disconcerting while he's looking up at the canopy and watching it flap and breathe and bump. Another thought -- Thermals generated by the sun beating down on airport pavement are usually blown downwind of the landing zone at canopy-flying altitudes but ideally the skydiver hangs out upwind of the LZ before entering the landing pattern. The "going back up" I was referring to was while in the freefall phase of the skydive but, after giving it a little more thought, a freefalling skydiver really CAN go up relative to other freefallers, especially the more massive ones. I usually have to wear 10 - 15 lbs of lead to keep up with some of the more "aggressive fallers". (Makes the canopy a little more fun, too!) tp |
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, bod43 wrote: On 26 May, 03:01, Andrew Gideon wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 05:24:45 -0700, the.sargon wrote: I think you're reaching on the aerobatic. *Do you have a specific incident? What about "climbing" as an altitude violation for a jumper? Here is a near miss - in UK I believe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHA0zvFfH9U Might have been in the UK, but the Chipmunk had maple leaf markings on the wings. Surely scary enough for all concerned. |
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