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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:27:54 GMT, "Joe Delphi"
wrote: Sorry that everyone is talking about C-130s and not answering your question. The question was answered long ago - the Marine Corps wants Harriers, Hornets, and JSF, not ex-USAF A-10s. -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ |
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Mike- Before or after her conversion? Midway's conversion happened after
Flatley's C-130 trials, IIRC. BRBR When I was onboard rfrom 1980-1983...acerage was larger than the FID class boats... P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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And the C130 made 1 landing and 1 takeoff. Period.
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:18:08 GMT, "Jim Morris"
wrote: And the C130 made 1 landing and 1 takeoff. Period. No, it made several takeoffs and landings. (and it was a KC-130) Period. -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ |
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Andrew C. Toppan wrote in
: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:18:08 GMT, "Jim Morris" wrote: And the C130 made 1 landing and 1 takeoff. Period. No, it made several takeoffs and landings. (and it was a KC-130) Period. From this work: United States Naval Aviation 1910–1995 Roy A. Grossnick with contributions from William J. Armstrong W. Todd Baker John M. Elliott Gwendolyn J. Rich Judith A. Walters Naval Historical Center Department of the Navy Washington, D.C. Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data Grossnick, Roy A. United States Naval Aviation, 1910–1995 / Roy A. Grossnick ; with contributions from William J. Armstrong . . . [et al.]. — [4th ed.] p. cm. Includes index. ISBN 0–945274–34–3 (case bound : alk. paper) 1. United States. Navy—Aviation—Chronology. I. Armstrong, William J. II. Title. VG93.G7627 1997 359.94’0973—dc21 96–37481 CIP I quote in part: 1963 8 November During 8, 21 and 22 November, Lieutenant James H. Flatley III, and his crew members, Lieutenant Commander Smokey Stovall and ADJ1 Ed Brennan, made 21 full-stop landings and takeoffs in a C-130F Hercules on board Forrestal. From this test the Navy concluded that the C-130 could carry 25,000 pounds of cargo and personnel 2,500 miles and land on a carrier. However, the C-130 was considered too risky for use in routine COD operations. ***** Thus clarifying both cargo capacity, number of takeoffs and landings, and the a/c model. The above work is available in .pdf format on the Navy Historical Center web site. Dave in San Diego |
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Dave in San Diego wrote in message ...
Andrew C. Toppan wrote in: SNIP: Quote: From this test the Navy concluded that the C-130 could carry 25,000 pounds of cargo and personnel 2,500 miles and land on a carrier. However, the C-130 was considered too risky for use in routine COD operations. UNQUOTE Looks to me as if the Navy brass have been remiss in not keeping the 130's capability as a hip-pocket emergency resupply method. I do not believe navy logistics is so smart that they never run short of critical items. It would be a warm fuzzy feeling to know that 25,000 pounds of mission-critical goodies was available if needed now not tomorrow not next week but right now. Walt BJ |
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"Andrew C. Toppan" wrote:
On 24 Apr 2004 13:58:15 -0700, (WaltBJ) wrote: Looks to me as if the Navy brass have been remiss in not keeping the 130's capability as a hip-pocket emergency resupply method. I do not believe navy logistics is so smart that they never run short of critical items. It would be a warm fuzzy feeling to know that 25,000 But the C-2 can do it in a couple trips without suspending flight operations, without clearing EVERYTHING off the deck, without disrupting the ship's operations, and in any weather. Of course, the marines would like the next generation C-130 replacement to be V/STOL, which really would allow it to operate to/from large air capable ships, although not be hangared/maintained by them. Sure would make going deep inland with LAVs or similar equipment/supplies easier after the assault wave lands. There would be no need (as there was in OAF) of having a friendly beach with a nearby airfield (Pasni, Pakistan) for the MEU to unload its heavy equipment over the shore and then transship it into KC-130s/C-17s, to move it into Afghanistan. Guy |
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WaltBJ wrote:
Dave in San Diego wrote in message ... Andrew C. Toppan wrote in: SNIP: Quote: From this test the Navy concluded that the C-130 could carry 25,000 pounds of cargo and personnel 2,500 miles and land on a carrier. However, the C-130 was considered too risky for use in routine COD operations. UNQUOTE Looks to me as if the Navy brass have been remiss in not keeping the 130's capability as a hip-pocket emergency resupply method. Who says they haven't? But on the other hand, when has it ever actually been needed? -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right." - Senator Carl Schurz, 1872 |
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