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that would backfire. The response would be to make it bigger and harder
to get into. There has been a grass roots effort by some to try this. They are nuts. Flying the ADIZ is simple. File, talk, squawk. Michelle Jay Honeck wrote: I was merely agreeing with your suggestion. :-) Personally, I think it would be excellent to organize a mass protest where 100s of planes all flew toward the ADIZ en masse. (Stopping short of actually breaking the ADIZ, of course.) It could garner terrific press coverage, and probably cause great confusion in ATC and the Administration. Who knows, it might even make the point that the ADIZ is pointless? It might even result in the ADIZ shrinking, or being eliminated. My experience with working with pilots, however, indicates that organizing a protest of this kind would be very difficult. Getting pilots in line is like herding cats -- it ain't gonna happen easily. |
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 00:13:48 GMT, Michelle P
wrote in . net:: Flying the ADIZ is simple. File, talk, squawk. Oh, you forgot the important part: If you should happen to accidentally stumble into the DC ADIZ, you are subject to your government's military hardware intentionally shooting you down in the name of security. |
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In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote: Flying the ADIZ is simple. File, talk, squawk. Oh, you forgot the important part: If you should happen to accidentally stumble into the DC ADIZ, you are subject to your government's military hardware intentionally shooting you down in the name of security. Exactly how many times has our government's military hardware intentionally shot down someone penetrating the DC ADIZ? -- Bob Noel no one likes an educated mule |
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I agree 100%. But are you willing to bet that the casual weekend pilot has
the navigational savvy to ded reckon his way around the ADIZ? The average recreational pilot should have the navigational savvy to navigate his way around the ADIZ visually, whether that involves pilotage or dead reckoning. I've done it, and I'm just an average recreational pilot. I've made several trips to the ADIZ at 1000 feet above the treetops, then climbing to 3K for radio reception to get my squawk, navigating visually the whole way. There are plenty of landmarks if you plan for them, including highways and power lines. The plane I flew =did= have a moving map GPS, and it =was= turned on and set for the moving map, but I did my navigation based on charts and pilotage. That said, the presence of the moving map made life much simpler, and though I tried not to "peek", I could easily see how navigational skills could disappear pretty quickly by relying on the box. In any case, the violations I've heard of have not been due to lack of navigational skills, but simply not having the sqawk. That's a different issue entirely. Again, if you're going to bet the farm on flying inside of an ADIZ, I think you're foolish to leave GPS on the ground before you go. I think it's foolish to stay on the ground because the airplane doesn't have GPS. It's important to use (and maintain!) all the tools at one's disposal, and pilotage is one such tool. RELYING on GPS ("don't leave home without it!") lets pilotage skills erode. You say you agree with me, but then you say it's foolish to "leave GPS on the ground". "Foolish" is a pretty strong word, and is incompatible with agreeing with me 100%. Jose -- You may not get what you pay for, but you sure as hell pay for what you get. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Personally, I think it would be excellent to organize a mass protest where
100s of planes all flew toward the ADIZ en masse. I recall "after a few beers", suggesting something like this. (Stopping short of actually breaking the ADIZ, of course.) No, we'd have to bust the ADIZ en masse, and show that nothing happens. Of course, what would probably happen is that a few of us would be shot down, the flaming debris would rain down upon innocent children, and some Al Quida terrorist would use the opportunity to fly in with us. He wouldn't be one of the ones shot down. But nobody would ever know this. Jose -- You may not get what you pay for, but you sure as hell pay for what you get. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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One person's "benign complacency" is another person's "following the rules."
I'd be interested Jay in what you would do if the ADIZ around DC were eliminated, but another one of equal size were centered around your inn. Let alone the fact that it's probably not going to happen, that it wouldn't make sense, or just imagine some scenario in which it might occur (i.e. that's where our secret nukes are buried). There would probably be many who would rejoice that DC were finally opened up to GA traffic, being as DC is a popular destination. Very few pilots (in fact, very few people) would be affected by a 30 mile ADIZ in Iowa, so you would likely garner little sympathy, at least from the likes of those who post like you do. So, were an ADIZ to pop up around your hotel, what would you hope us other pilots would do? Jose -- You may not get what you pay for, but you sure as hell pay for what you get. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Bob Noel" wrote no one likes an educated mule That's why they don't sent them to school !!! g -- Jim in NC |
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Jose wrote:
I'd be interested Jay in what you would do if the ADIZ around DC were eliminated, but another one of equal size were centered around your inn. GEORGE BUSH IS GOING TO STAY AT THE ASPEN INN??? I think Jay and Mary are going to be too busy to go flying while he his there, so they won't be concerned about the temporary ADIZ around their inn. |
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GEORGE BUSH IS GOING TO STAY AT THE ASPEN INN???
I think Jay and Mary are going to be too busy to go flying while he his there, so they won't be concerned about the temporary ADIZ around their inn. No, he's going to LIVE there. The ADIZ will be as "temporary" as the one around DC. New rule: he gets to keep his Iowa ADIZ until he dies. Jose -- You may not get what you pay for, but you sure as hell pay for what you get. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:11:08 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote in :: In article , Larry Dighera wrote: Flying the ADIZ is simple. File, talk, squawk. Oh, you forgot the important part: If you should happen to accidentally stumble into the DC ADIZ, you are subject to your government's military hardware intentionally shooting you down in the name of security. Exactly how many times has our government's military hardware intentionally shot down someone penetrating the DC ADIZ? The fact that within the short period of time the DC ADIZ has been in effect there have yet been no shoot downs is not the point. |
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